Adding Winstrol to the end of a Test e & Deca Cycle

[matty burg]

Been doing heaps of research but as always it's hard to find something specific to your situation.

Stats are:
Height: 5'9
Weight: 167lbs
Age: 23
Years of PROPER training PROPER diet (Counting macros/calories): 6 years
Cycle experience: 1x12 week cycle (Test prop only, very bad gear, small amount of gains). This was done 2 years ago


This is the cycle I want to do:
Cycle
Wk 1-11 Test Enanthate 400-500mg each week
Wk 1-10 Deca Durabolin 300-400mg each week

PCT (begining one day after last Test e injection)
Tamoxifen (NOLVA)
Day 1: 70mg
Day 2-11: 40mg
Day 12-21: 20mg
Day 21-26: 15mg
Day 26-30: 10mg

Clomifene (CLOMID)
Day 1: 150mg
Day 2-21: 50mg
Day 21-30: 20mg


My question is:
Would it be worth it to add in Oral Winstrol (50mg ED) for Wk 9-12 OR Wk8-12? Or would it be pointless?

From what i've read, the only reason someone would add this in at the end of a cycle would be to hardern up at a low BF, and keep a slight amount of gains when at a low BF before going in to a comp.
I am not going in to a comp.



Hope it doesn't sound too complicated... also open to criticism on the cycle!
Cheers guys!

[EKFitness]

Been doing heaps of research but as always it's hard to find something specific to your situation.

Stats are:
Height: 5'9
Weight: 167lbs
Age: 23
Years of PROPER training PROPER diet (Counting macros/calories): 6 years
Cycle experience: 1x12 week cycle (Test prop only, very bad gear, small amount of gains). This was done 2 years ago

This is the cycle I want to do:
Cycle
Wk 1-11 Test Enanthate 400-500mg each week
Wk 1-10 Deca Durabolin 300-400mg each week

PCT (begining one day after last Test e injection)
Tamoxifen (NOLVA)
Day 1: 70mg
Day 2-11: 40mg
Day 12-21: 20mg
Day 21-26: 15mg
Day 26-30: 10mg

Clomifene (CLOMID)
Day 1: 150mg
Day 2-21: 50mg
Day 21-30: 20mg

My question is:
Would it be worth it to add in Oral Winstrol (50mg ED) for Wk 9-12 OR Wk8-12? Or would it be pointless?

From what i've read, the only reason someone would add this in at the end of a cycle would be to hardern up at a low BF, and keep a slight amount of gains when at a low BF before going in to a comp.
I am not going in to a comp.

Hope it doesn't sound too complicated... also open to criticism on the cycle!
Cheers guys!

what's ur body fat and how's your diet?
that pct is all wrong. there is a thread of beginner cycles you should look at

[matty burg]

what's ur body fat and how's your diet?
that pct is all wrong. there is a thread of beginner cycles you should look at

Sorry, left out BF=11%


I thought tappering my PCT would be a better idea, as to allow my body to go back to normal levels very slowly, rather than shocking it.

The other PCT i've read has gone something like this:
NOLVA
Day 1: 60mg
Day 2-11: 40mg
Day 12-21: 20mg

CLOMID
Day 1: 150mg
Day 2-11: 50mg
Day 12-21: 50mg


I modified something like this as I thought it would be better from my understanding of all the research i've been doing. (literally been reading about this stuff for years)



In terms of diet, It really is near perfect. I count my calories (including macros and percentage division between protein/fats/carbs) using an excel spreadsheet. I've done heaps of research and have perfected it through trial an error.

[Beyazit]

You don't start pct just after your last shot with long esters, you wait a good 2 weeks before you startyou pct and dosage should be like;

Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 75/75/50/50

[matty burg]

You don't start pct just after your last shot with long esters, you wait a good 2 weeks before you startyou pct and dosage should be like;

Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 75/75/50/50

Just to clarify, (because sometimes people use the ?/?/?/? layout for explaining dsages differently), you mean: wk1/wk2/wk3/wk4 yeah?

[stpete]

Been doing heaps of research but as always it's hard to find something specific to your situation.

Stats are:
Height: 5'9
Weight: 167lbs
Age: 23
Years of PROPER training PROPER diet (Counting macros/calories): 6 years
Cycle experience: 1x12 week cycle (Test prop only, very bad gear, small amount of gains). This was done 2 years ago


This is the cycle I want to do:
Cycle
Wk 1-11 Test Enanthate 400-500mg each week
Wk 1-10 Deca Durabolin 300-400mg each week

PCT (begining one day after last Test e injection)
Tamoxifen (NOLVA)
Day 1: 70mg
Day 2-11: 40mg
Day 12-21: 20mg
Day 21-26: 15mg
Day 26-30: 10mg

Clomifene (CLOMID)
Day 1: 150mg
Day 2-21: 50mg
Day 21-30: 20mg


My question is:
Would it be worth it to add in Oral Winstrol (50mg ED) for Wk 9-12 OR Wk8-12? Or would it be pointless?

From what i've read, the only reason someone would add this in at the end of a cycle would be to hardern up at a low BF, and keep a slight amount of gains when at a low BF before going in to a comp.
I am not going in to a comp.



Hope it doesn't sound too complicated... also open to criticism on the cycle!
Cheers guys!

First you're a bit too young especially for 2nd cycle. Additionally, your dosages and lengths are off not for the AAS but PCT as well. You make no mention of HCG or AI which raises eyebrows as well.

I think you should concentrate on diet and training first. Then educate yourself on a complete cycle before going down this road.

[matty burg]

And I also left out:
Wk 9-12: HCG Every 4 Days at 500iu

I know I'm young, (I stated 23, where I'm turning 24 in 2 months, but didn't feel the need to lie), but I also feel I have reached my genetic limit. I have not grown in height since I was 17.

I've had blood tests, and my free test levels are VERY low. I have tried to aid this with a number of things (diet & natural remedies), but the only real solution is to go on permanent injections, which I don't want to do. So basically I know I'm not getting much bigger without synthetic test.

I'm just looking for advice, and realised I would get shut down by a lot of people as soon as I posted...

[stpete]

Let me tell you something... It's your body and your future. We're here to help and ultimately try to educate you on the dangers. If you listen to us and still decide to do so, who are we to say no?

And once again, you're research(or lack thereof) is showing in your HCG timing and dosages.

You've been here for 2 years and have done no research whatsoever. Harsh truth my man. You need to educate yourself before you do something 2 or 5 years from now you seriously end up regretting. Cause your lack of research, knowledge and experience is a recipe for disaster.

[matty burg]

Let me tell you something... It's your body and your future. We're here to help and ultimately try to educate you on the dangers. If you listen to us and still decide to do so, who are we to say no?

And once again, you're research(or lack thereof) is showing in your HCG timing and dosages.

You've been here for 2 years and have done no research whatsoever. Harsh truth my man. You need to educate yourself before you do something 2 or 5 years from now you seriously end up regretting. Cause your lack of research, knowledge and experience is a recipe for disaster.

Fair enough...

What's wrong with the HCG dosage and timing though?

I realise most people run it for the entire cycle, but it's not proven to do anything running it for the entire cycle, rather than just running it a few weeks before PCT, to get things going naturally again, rather than starting from 0 test when you start PCT, you start with more than 0 (That's just a simple way for me to explain it)

Running it the entrie time hasn't been shown to have any real effect as you're shut down for the cycle anyway, and it's an expensive substance so if I can run it for 3 weeks rather than the 12... it'll save me some cash.4

Again, I'm just asking... not trying to be rude, just want to know if there are proven benefits I haven't found yet, rather than people just saying "run it the whole time of cycle", and giving no reason why

[matty burg]

Anyone else wanna chime in?

[matty burg]

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