Test Prop, Mast Prop, Tren Ace questions...

**ineedauser** · 05-02-2013, 05:32 PM

5'8" 185lbs with about 12% bodyfat
Experience: Test E and Anavar
Sides: ZERO
I did get rebound gyno though (100% my fault, I did not follow the 4 week PCT protocol). Ralox is slowly destroying this.

I love what people are talking about with these compounds. But I am thinking it is a "bit" much for my goals. Nothing wrong with achieving and going beyond. But i'd like some input on the idea.

Before people talk about diet, blah blah blah. I do diet, and I do train hard. And I DO gain. But it's the pace I do it at and how far away my goals are.

I'd like to be 8% bodyfat at 185-190lbs with pretty ridiculous vascularity :-). My strength is respectable for my back/legs. My chest is where I lack the most and where I want the most help chiseling and strengthening. Which is why I have chosen this (arbitrarily). I have even dabbled with the thought of 60mg of anavar daily (while taking NAC daily as well).

I plan to start this cycle sometime in July/August.

Aside from the frequent pinning, is there really a downfall of doing the shorter esther? I would think the blast would be an easier more successful cycle... or am I totally backwards? Slow and steady wins that race. 8-10 weeks vs 12-14 weeks?

My doses are going to be relatively low in comparison to most. I'd like to keep sides down and try not to go nuts on my first run of Tren . I do know the sides can be way harsh and very discouraging. But without trying it, i'll never know. I'm aware of test sides and Masteron sides seem to be very minimal/mild.

400mg of Test
75mg of tren eod
100mg of masteron eod
NAC @ 600mg daily
Anavar @ 60-80mg daily (possibly)
Aromasin or Arimidex eod - Still thinking about dosages and product. Searches prove that neither are better than the other for the purpose. But Aromasin is the stronger of the two. Will probably go with Aromasin. Might even get some letro on hand to shoot the gyno down hard and fast if it acts up.
HCG range will vary depending on the esther I use. But 250iu's twice a week for 8 weeks.

PCT will be a nolva and clomid.

I see people use Cialis EVERYDAY at 5mg? Wouldn't that just... make me a walking erection?

**OnTheSauce** · 05-02-2013, 05:51 PM

Using anavar with Tren is a waste. Save it for next cycle. I don't think Tren should be used second cycle, but other than that Everything looks ok to me. Use the aromasin if u can get both, it wont have the estrogen rebound effect like adex. With 400mg test 12.5mg a day should be sufficient.

How were your gains last cycle? Why not do that again?

**ChiveOn** · 05-02-2013, 06:17 PM

Mast seems a bit low. I wouldn't go under 500mg weekly and I know others suggest 6-800.

**OnTheSauce** · 05-02-2013, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by ChiveOn

Mast seems a bit low. I wouldn't go under 500mg weekly and I know others suggest 6-800.

I've always said 500+ but Ronnie said 350 can work well and I highly value his opinion. Until I have good reasoning to contradict him ill leave it at that

**ChiveOn** · 05-02-2013, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by patrick4588

I've always said 500+ but Ronnie said 350 can work well and I highly value his opinion. Until I have good reasoning to contradict him ill leave it at that

Totally fair enough! I'm just going off of what was recommended to me and what I'm using in my upcoming cycle

**ineedauser** · 05-02-2013, 06:48 PM

I'll leave look into that. Because at my current dose, I would be doing 300-400 a week (100 EOD). Maybe i'll up that to 150.

My first cycle showed some good results. Why do something again when I can go better? I'm not one for being complacent. If I can do better, I wanna do better.

**Capebuffalo** · 05-02-2013, 07:02 PM

Test cycle again. Way too many compounds you don't need to grow.

**ineedauser** · 05-02-2013, 07:06 PM

Why do you say that?

**ineedauser** · 05-03-2013, 06:07 AM

What do you think he means by, "you don't need to grow?"

What's wrong with the cycle I suggested? I know the test only is fine. I just want better.

**OnTheSauce** · 05-03-2013, 06:10 AM

he means you will grow on test by itself. You don't need 3 different compounds in order to get bigger.

**ineedauser** · 05-03-2013, 06:57 AM

Isn't that what everyone wants? Strip fat and put on muscle? Growing isn't my primary concern. Dropping fat while keeping size is what I am agreed. I appreciate the suggestion but when I was on test, I blew up and gained 17lbs in 10 weeks on a calorie deficit. I definitely leaned out and hardened up. But I am much more interested in keeping the weight maintained and getting shredded.

**ineedauser** · 05-04-2013, 07:50 AM

Anyone else have any input?

**Capebuffalo** · 05-04-2013, 08:50 AM

Test and diet is all you need. What ai did you use? Pct?

**ineedauser** · 05-04-2013, 11:41 AM

I did PCT on and off for like 2 1/2 weeks. I got bronchitis during PCT. no excuses and very stupid, I know! But that's what happened
I used Aromasin

So then why would anyone wanna do Tren , Mast, and Test together?

**OnTheSauce** · 05-04-2013, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by ineedauser

I did PCT on and off for like 2 1/2 weeks. I got bronchitis during PCT. no excuses and very stupid, I know! But that's what happened
I used Aromasin

So then why would anyone wanna do Tren, Mast, and Test together?

Aromasin isn't pct. Test/Tren /mast is a good stack. Just because its not right for you AT THIS TIME, doesn't mean its useless or not great for someone else

**ineedauser** · 05-04-2013, 04:55 PM

Sorry, I meant Aromasin was my AI. Nolva and Clomid were my PCT.

I'm asking when would someone see this stack as a benefit if it's not right now? It seems to have a similar effect like test, just more leaning/vascularity properties.