Tren-Test cycle setup

[Joachim]

I am looking to do a Tren A - Test P 8 week cycle. I'm 44, 230 lbs, 16% and want to drop some fat before starting. Only have experience with Test E cycles and this will be a first for Tren. I find some mixed reviews on SERM and PCT, maybe someone can throw in a few pointers or direct me to a solid thread or article. I'm still in research mode and understand a lot of the gains and side effects, now just looking to keep the sides at a minimum and setting myself up for this cycle.
I'm planning on pinning everyday 50 ml Tren and 50 ml Test. Can I up the Tren to 75 ml because of body weight?
Thanks.

[Capebuffalo]

How many test only cycles?

[Joachim]

Two.

[Capebuffalo]

What type of gains did you make and keep?

[Joachim]

I kept 7 lbs of lean after a 12 week Test E cycle.

[Joachim]

It was 500mg a week, felt then it should have been more, took 8 weeks before I felt changes.

[vladan]

I'm in my mid-forties, I train 4-5 times a week and do 2-3 cycles per year. From my own experience and from the experience of others I know that Tren A is a little bit “heavy” for our age, because of its aggressive side effects. For me, amount of body fat, most of all will depend on the proper diet and cardio training.

[kronik420]

might be a good idea to get some blood work done..

at 44, you could be a candidate for TRT/HRT..

[Joachim]

Yes, had blood work done. My testosterone is low and my Doctor prescribed me TRT, but that's $2000 a year for patches, so I haven't started yet. I hear once you start your commited.

[Joachim]

I'm in my mid-forties, I train 4-5 times a week and do 2-3 cycles per year. From my own experience and from the experience of others I know that Tren A is a little bit "heavy" for our age, because of its aggressive side effects. For me, amount of body fat, most of all will depend on the proper diet and cardio training.

What sides are too aggressive? I figure there's less to worry about...lol

[Capebuffalo]

I would run another test cycle. You haven't out grown it. You will still make great gains if diet and training are right. I would hold off on the tren. It is a harsh chemical. You don't need it. Diet and test you can accomplish a lot.

[OnTheSauce]

Mother of god. 50ml of Tren! FUARK

[Joachim]

Mother of god. 50ml of Tren! FUARK

Wow...now there's a lot of thought.

[vladan]

For the first time I tried Tren 16-17 years ago. I trained seven times per week twice a day and had two girlfriends LOL, but all these sweating, nervousness and insomnia were difficult to endure. At that time I did not even think about high blood pressure.

[Joachim]

For the first time I tried Tren 16-17 years ago. I trained seven times per week twice a day and had two girlfriends LOL, but all these sweating, nervousness and insomnia were difficult to endure. At that time I did not even think about high blood pressure.

That's quite the work out, you'd be taxing your system even off gear.
What were your results?

[vladan]

Great gain, hard full muscles and strength like never before :-)

[Joachim]

Great gain, hard full muscles and strength like never before :-)

Dang! How am I suppose to pass that up?

[vladan]

Then enjoy it, what else to say

[Capebuffalo]

You don't need it. Simple

[Joachim]

You don't need it. Simple

Then enjoy it, what else to say

Seriously, I'll mull it over, but could you guys direct me towards the PCT and should I run anything with it like arimidex, for if I do go ahead, I'm still weighing it all out.

[Granovich]

if you want to cut . run test prop and anavar

[vladan]

Tren A does not aromatize, there is very little substrate available for aromatization and because of that estrogen production becomes abnormally low. This can cause joints and libido problems. But natural testosterone production is suppressed when using Tren. Use of HCG with Tren can solve an estrogen and natural testosterone production issue.

[Joachim]

[QUOTE="Granovich"]if you want to cut . run test prop and anavar[/QUOTE

Cutting is always a bonus, but I'd rather use gear to bulk. I am quite fond of the hard look of lean gains you get from Tren.

[Joachim]

Tren A does not aromatize, there is very little substrate available for aromatization and because of that estrogen production becomes abnormally low. This can cause joints and libido problems. But natural testosterone production is suppressed when using Tren. Use of HCG with Tren can solve an estrogen and natural testosterone production issue.

Isn't that what Test P will help with? HCG may have its benefits here, but it's not necessary, is it not?

[Granovich]

[QUOTE=Joachim;6523784]

if you want to cut . run test prop and anavar[/QUOTE

Cutting is always a bonus, but I'd rather use gear to bulk. I am quite fond of the hard look of lean gains you get from Tren.

sure year... but i thought you went with Capebuffalo of running only test so i said anavar is to help with cutting
but nothing beats tren
if you are familiar with its sides and know how to run it and what to expecct from it and did enough research then go ahead and do it.
make sure to read Atomini sticky about Tren and read it carefully

[ChiveOn]

I would suggest running a cycle with Deca in it before you touch tren. It's the "king" and being strong it's got harsh sides. Insomnia, night sweats, anorgasmia, to name a few. It would be smart to get some experience with a 19-nor before jumping at tren.
If you're looking to cut its diet and cardio really. Maybe try adding an oral or some other compound if you feel you've outgrown your test only cycle

[vladan]

I would suggest running a cycle with Deca in it before you touch tren. It's the "king" and being strong it's got harsh sides. Insomnia, night sweats, anorgasmia, to name a few. It would be smart to get some experience with a 19-nor before jumping at tren.

I am committed to deca from my first cycle. No other drug with similar properties has effect on me as deca. Apart from promoting size and strength and with low androgenic properties, deca will assist all the joints and ease the pains that can be caused by hardcore workout. It also blocks the cortisone receptors allowing less cortisone to reach muscle tissue. The water retention is very low and deca can be stacked with almost any steroid on the market. My favorite cycle is: deca (250mg per week), sustanon (250mg per week) and d-bol (30-50mg per day). With deca and sust I do not change the dose during the cycle, but I pyramid d-bol to a peak and then come down gradually. Because of sutanon and d-bol AI is recommended.

[Joachim]

If Deca were to be the choice for serious bulking, then perhaps the next cycle be Tren for cutting.

[Granovich]

I am committed to deca from my first cycle. No other drug with similar properties has effect on me as deca. Apart from promoting size and strength and with low androgenic properties, deca will assist all the joints and ease the pains that can be caused by hardcore workout. It also blocks the cortisone receptors allowing less cortisone to reach muscle tissue. The water retention is very low and deca can be stacked with almost any steroid on the market. My favorite cycle is: deca (250mg per week), sustanon (250mg per week) and d-bol (30-50mg per day). With deca and sust I do not change the dose during the cycle, but I pyramid d-bol to a peak and then come down gradually. Because of sutanon and d-bol AI is recommended.

NPP would be better option than deca.. short ester. you feel it quick , less water retention and out of your system faster which means faster recovery

[ChiveOn]

I know it's summer so you're thinking cutting. But I really wouldn't recommend tren so fast. You've always got time to grow into it. No need to swing for the fences so early

[Joachim]

Great sticky...noticed that some of the best posts are now banned members, not that it takes away from their research, but that their not around for further input.

[Joachim]

If I were to consider Deca over Tren to try out first, then that would change the topic of this thread and I would need your ever wise input for a Deca cycle, as I have not given it much research.
I had planned 8 weeks with Tren, but apparently I need 2x as much time, more like 16 weeks for a Deca cycle.
I don't mean to be cheap in asking simple questions that can be researched, but I can find 3-4 different answers to the same question, at least direct me to the proven posts. I like it simple, learn from that and build to that.
Experience and input welcome.

[ChiveOn]

If pure looking to keep it short NPP is just a shorter version of Deca. Comparable to Prop vs Enanthate so you can still run it short.
I mean, do what you're gonna do but it's just a safer suggestion not to jump t tren so fast

[Joachim]

If pure looking to keep it short NPP is just a shorter version of Deca. Comparable to Prop vs Enanthate so you can still run it short.
I mean, do what you're gonna do but it's just a safer suggestion not to jump t tren so fast

Ok...NPP with Test P is a good 8 week cycle, or Deca with Test C or E and D-Bol for 16 week cycle. Which is the better bang?

[Joachim]

Definitely going to try the Deca first. Read up on the benefits and like what it has to offer.
Would it help to run NPP for the first three weeks to help front load Deca while starting Deca, Test C and the NPP the same day?

[ChiveOn]

I like to keep the esters comparable. So if you're running test C or E I'd go wit Deca. If you're running prop NPP is the way to go. Keep it simple

[Joachim]

I like to keep the esters comparable. So if you're running test C or E I'd go wit Deca. If you're running prop NPP is the way to go. Keep it simple

I'll stick with simple.

[OnTheSauce]

Npp and Deca are the same steroid in case u were confused by that. U stated benefits of Deca and that's why u chose it. They will be the same

[ChiveOn]

^exactly
So when you figure all your shit out post up your proposed cycle with dosages AI pct etc. and your full stats height weight bf etc so we can give you the best advice possible

[Joachim]

Npp and Deca are the same steroid in case u were confused by that. U stated benefits of Deca and that's why u chose it. They will be the same

Yeah, that's why I figure NPP with shorter ester than Deca would give a head start cuz Deca would take so long to show gains. I only was thinking that cuz Sustanon is made up of various esters as well.