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**wright992011usmc** · 05-06-2013, 08:58 PM

Im new to this site and AAS. Ive ran alot of PHs and DSs. I've currently decided to run a cycle of test E and kick start the cycle with Dbol . I'd like some advise on dosage. A lot of people seem to disagree on dosage. I've ran Dbol solo before and i like it better that all the PHs and shit. But im tired of messing around with them. I plan on logging this cycle on here to so appreciate any help and support.

**austinite** · 05-06-2013, 09:00 PM

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**wright992011usmc** · 05-06-2013, 10:12 PM

So i updated my profile. As far a cycles i've ran Dbol twice but only 1month each time, Anadol once, superdrol 3 times methylstenbolone 2time, i typicly run halodrol or epistan frequently but im trying to get away from PH/DS shit. I've gained good with most of these but unfortunately i get big and then have to train to deploy over seas so i loss most of it. I just got back from Afghanistan and luckily had time to lift while i was over there and i have a long time before i deploy so im going to make the best of it. This will be my first inject cycle. I know how to diet well im trying to stay around 6000 calories a day mostly good calories. I do plenty of cardio with my job and its safe to say im a hard gainer. I prefer doing three day split routines because their pretty simple to work around and fit into a busy scheduled. I plan on running the test for 3 months and starting the cycle with dbol, i use nolva in every cycle.

**ChiveOn** · 05-06-2013, 10:28 PM

What up devildog! Few things, are you 20 or 24?
I encourage you to post a mock diet with macros in the nutrition as 6000 calories isn't really realistic.
Take a look at the links I've provided

Most Common Beginners Cycles - Look here..
Particularly at the usage of HCG , AI, and pct. not sure if you fully grasp those concepts or not yet having not cycled before.
But good on you for getting away from the PHs

**wright992011usmc** · 05-06-2013, 10:37 PM

it seems like 250mg twice a week is normal, dbol at 40mg ed for a month. I have on hand letro and nolva. Would HCG really be needed for a 12 week cycle?

**ChiveOn** · 05-06-2013, 10:45 PM

Unless you enjoy the small nuts look the. Yes HCG should be utilized. It will also help restart your natty test production easier.
Letro is for gyno management. WAY too strong for an AI unless you know exactly what you're doing with it which would usually include bloodwork. Not for a first cycle. Look at adex or aromasin

**wright992011usmc** · 05-06-2013, 10:53 PM

Yeah i understand the concepts, HCG is just hard to find. I know a lot of people that just take shit and care to do it properly. I know HCG really kicks the test production back up fast but is it really needed? i plan on taking letro during cycle not sure on how often and dosage because i want to bulk but i dont want to get too bloated looking. yeah i know 6000 is unrealistic but i litterally have to eat everything i can to gain good. As far as the mock diet, im working on it, i usually eat at the dinning facilities on base so i dont have exact numbers to go off of at this time. But i can eat as much as i want there so its just trying to keep my diet clean will be the hard part.

**wright992011usmc** · 05-06-2013, 11:05 PM

now is hcg need through out the cycle of could i just use it toward the end, i've used letro once before after i ran superdrol for a month took two off and then ran anadrol , i started getting signs of gyno so i ordered letro immediately lol. It seems like you get your moneys worth though with letro but from my knowledge id just want to run it at really low doses.

**ChiveOn** · 05-06-2013, 11:18 PM

I really can't help with Letro dosing because I've never had gyno and wouldn't touch it if I didn't. HCG isn't 100% necessary if you can't find it but it should be used. If you can 250iu pinned subcutaneously (under skin in fat) twice a week is standard. If you're using test E start it in week 2-3 all the way up to 3-4days before pct. run the nolva at 40/20/20/20. Each "/" is a week and each dose is daily mgs

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-07-2013, 06:10 AM

That's my problem too can't find hcg I've heard on test e only it's not needed. Just run an ai but everyone had their own opinions it seems like.

**Bio-Active** · 05-07-2013, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Dougiefresh7707

That's my problem too can't find hcg I've heard on test e only it's not needed. Just run an ai but everyone had their own opinions it seems like.

Hcg will maintain testicular function during your cycle. I wouldn't run a cycle without it.

**gearbox** · 05-07-2013, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by wright992011usmc

now is hcg need through out the cycle of could i just use it toward the end, i've used letro once before after i ran superdrol for a month took two off and then ran anadrol, i started getting signs of gyno so i ordered letro immediately lol. It seems like you get your moneys worth though with letro but from my knowledge id just want to run it at really low doses.

You know very little regarding aas and I suggest you read all the profiles on each drug and even more sticky s on pct and hcg .
Your first cycle is test only. So we know how your body reacts to the test. Next cycle you can add drol or dbol .
You need to run an ai and have a pct ready before you start cycling.

**gearbox** · 05-07-2013, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Dougiefresh7707

That's my problem too can't find hcg I've heard on test e only it's not needed. Just run an ai but everyone had their own opinions it seems like.

Wow. Who ever told u that is an idiot. Test is test. Doesn't matter if its e, c, prop, sus, a blend.....

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-07-2013, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

Hcg will maintain testicular function during your cycle. I wouldn't run a cycle without it.

Ar-r should start selling it what is it considered anyway I know it's a pregnancy hormone and they give it to women to loss weight would a doctor be able to do that for me?

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-07-2013, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by gearbox

Wow. Who ever told u that is an idiot. Test is test. Doesn't matter if its e, c, prop, sus, a blend.....

I know a couple people that have ran without it and bloodwork was fine a month or so after pct at least what they said who knows though.

**panntastic** · 05-07-2013, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Dougiefresh7707

Ar-r should start selling it what is it considered anyway I know it's a pregnancy hormone and they give it to women to loss weight would a doctor be able to do that for me?

That's BS that diet is all about eating 500cal a day nothing to do with hcg

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-07-2013, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by panntastic

That's BS that diet is all about eating 500cal a day nothing to do with hcg

Never researched it much but It's such a b1tch out here to get it but ill have to find a way now thanks guys.

**panntastic** · 05-07-2013, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Dougiefresh7707

Never researched it much but It's such a b1tch out here to get it but ill have to find a way now thanks guys.

Read a free ebook called pounds and inches
Its ridiculous
My ex wife tried it
She lost a lot of weight
But eating 500 calories a day your going to

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-07-2013, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by panntastic

Read a free ebook called pounds and inches
Its ridiculous
My ex wife tried it
She lost a lot of weight
But eating 500 calories a day your going to

Well how do chicks aquire hcg ? Isn't it completely legal for a doctor to prescribe it upon patients request?

**panntastic** · 05-07-2013, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Dougiefresh7707

Well how do chicks aquire hcg ? Isn't it completely legal for a doctor to prescribe it upon patients request?

My source carries it but its also used as part of fertility treatment to release eggs from the ovaries
So I'm led to believe

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-07-2013, 01:51 PM

Haha weird how the world works my source just text me and got it today. I've known my guy for awhile he works at my gym and I trust him but is there anyway to make sure my test e and hcg is legit?

**panntastic** · 05-07-2013, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Dougiefresh7707

Haha weird how the world works my source just text me and got it today. I've known my guy for awhile he works at my gym and I trust him but is there anyway to make sure my test e and hcg is legit?

For hcg buy a pregnancy test and drip some congrats you may be a daddy
Lol
Hcg in pregnant female urine is what makes the test turn positive.

Test e
Unless you have a mass spectograph your just going to have to trust your source

**largerthannormal** · 05-07-2013, 02:00 PM

i dont think the hcg in a vial will be enough to turn the strip positive. women produce it much higher amounts and dont think ours will be detectable.

I could be wrong but I think it has to me a much higher amount to make those strips turn

Originally Posted by panntastic

For hcg buy a pregnancy test and drip some congrats you may be a daddy
Lol
Hcg in pregnant female urine is what makes the test turn positive.

Test e
Unless you have a mass spectograph your just going to have to trust your source

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-07-2013, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by panntastic

For hcg buy a pregnancy test and drip some congrats you may be a daddy
Lol
Hcg in pregnant female urine is what makes the test turn positive.

Test e
Unless you have a mass spectograph your just going to have to trust your source

I didn't think of the pregnancy test good one and I trust him so we will see looks like good shit so we will see.

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-07-2013, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

i dont think the hcg in a vial will be enough to turn the strip positive. women produce it much higher amounts and dont think ours will be detectable.

I could be wrong but I think it has to me a much higher amount to make those strips turn

Actually first response can detect befor first missed period when the hormone is still very low.

**panntastic** · 05-07-2013, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

i dont think the hcg in a vial will be enough to turn the strip positive. women produce it much higher amounts and dont think ours will be detectable.

I could be wrong but I think it has to me a much higher amount to make those strips turn

Clear blue pregnancy test detects hcg at 50milli iu which is a much smaller amount than the 5000iu vials we use

**panntastic** · 05-07-2013, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by panntastic

Clear blue pregnancy test detects hcg at 50milli iu which is a much smaller amount than the 5000iu vials we use

So 50/1000th of an iu

**largerthannormal** · 05-07-2013, 02:23 PM

hmmm i must of ben fed false info, thanks for clearing it up pan!

**panntastic** · 05-07-2013, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

hmmm i must of ben fed false info, thanks for clearing it up pan!

Best way of finding out if your being sold hgh or hcg
I knew a bloke once bought 200 vials hgh turned out was hcg

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-07-2013, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by panntastic

Best way of finding out if your being sold hgh or hcg
I knew a bloke once bought 200 vials hgh turned out was hcg

Dam I would have to choke a b1tch!

**largerthannormal** · 05-08-2013, 07:04 AM

yes thats one of the more common compunds used to fake gh , also peps as well..

maybe it was regular preg tests that couldnt read, maybe this one you speak of measures in more accurate/lower increments than standard?

or was i fed BS?

Originally Posted by panntastic

Best way of finding out if your being sold hgh or hcg
I knew a bloke once bought 200 vials hgh turned out was hcg

**panntastic** · 05-08-2013, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

yes thats one of the more common compunds used to fake gh , also peps as well..

maybe it was regular preg tests that couldnt read, maybe this one you speak of measures in more accurate/lower increments than standard?

or was i fed BS?

I have used a cheap plastic strip type before off eBay (20 for £2)
Found this for you

The hCG hormone starts to be released into the woman's blood stream soon after the baby implants into the lining of her uterus at about 8 to 12 days after conception. The hCG blood level will initially start off very low (5 mIU/ml), but then rapidly increase, doubling every 2 to 3 days, so that within a few days, to a week or so the hCG level becomes high enough to be detected in the woman's urine, at about 50 to 80 mIU/ml. Once this level is achieved, a urine pregnancy test will show as being 'positive'.
http://www.baby2see.com/preconception/hcg.html

So by looks of it you were fed false info

**strentrainin** · 05-08-2013, 07:19 AM

I'm surprised a lot of this research companies like ARR don't sell hcg . It is hard to find.

**panntastic** · 05-08-2013, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by strentrainin

I'm surprised a lot of this research companies like ARR don't sell hcg. It is hard to find.

I think it may be illegal or come under certain classification in some countries so maybe they can't?
I'm just guessing at this by the way

**RipOwens** · 05-08-2013, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by panntastic

I think it may be illegal or come under certain classification in some countries so maybe they can't?
I'm just guessing at this by the way

I think it's a prescription only thing with hcg , so often the weight loss drops are either a scam or contain so little it's negligible....

**robthebuilder** · 05-08-2013, 08:15 PM

I recently felt the same way, that I just couldnt find HCG . But then I googled (buy hcg) and all the threads of websites poped up so I looked at a few and read up on them. Picked the one I felt was most legit and had my HCG at the post office in 12 days. I got namebrand HCG pharmaceutical grade at a good price with quick shipping. Buying HCG was easy as 123.