Need help with first cycle?

[zdet77]

I have read so much about cycling. Can someone give advice on best way to go about this 180lbs 5'11" 36 years old? Do I need a hcg or ai and which serm? Some have said I don't need them my first time but I want to be on the safe side.

[austinite]

Good to hear that you've done a lot of research. Can you tell us what you've learned? In other words, give us a beginner cycle you have in mind for us to critique. Also include your BF% and training experience.

[zdet77]

wk 1-6 25 mg d-bol ed
wk 1-12 test-e 250 mg every 3.5d
wk 13-15 off everything
pct
wk16-17 nolvadex 40mg ed
wk 18-19 Nolvadex 20mg ed.

I went by the bf chart and I am 20% bf.
I have trained off and on since I was 19. I went through boot camp at 19 which taught me the benefits of being in shape. I usually work out eod for up to 2 hours. I also like to mountain bike. I had neck surgery a few years back. Which truly I am just getting over. Long story, I know my limits of lifting. I have hand copied the definitions of everything associated with this cycle. The cycle above doesn't mention an AI. Is it necessary to take with my first cycle? Writing all of this down gave me a clearer understanding of how all this works.

[zdet77]

Oh yeah I am 35 not 36. Don't want to rush it this close to 40.

[ryanvvc]

im gonna be doing a test cycle for the 1st time soon i have basically the same stats as you and im 31. i was thinking about only doing test since ive heard its all u need at first. will the d-bol add to much bloat without an AI.

[zdet77]

An AI such as Arimidex blocks the aromatase enzyme. Test-e and D-bol both aromatize, which can cause negative side effects such as Gynecomastia , excess water retention. SERM's or Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator, such as Nolvadex will only block the estrogen from binding and not all of it and an AI will not reduce estrogen. During PCT Arimidex is not the preferred medication. As it may hinder progression. Some estrogen is needed for tissue gains and a properly functioning body.

[zdet77]

im gonna be doing a test cycle for the 1st time soon i have basically the same stats as you and im 31. i was thinking about only doing test since ive heard its all u need at first. will the d-bol add to much bloat without an AI.

Thats a really good question, Which I don't know the answer too! I done a partial cycle of test-e about 1 year ago. It takes about 3 weeks to get in your system good. This is why I want to use d-bol.

[austinite]

Ok. Thanks for updating.

20% is not ideal for cycling. This will bring on amplified side effects and will make it difficult to manage your estrogen. Furthermore; when you're ready (by dropping a few more percentages of fat naturally), you do not want to use dbol or any other "secondary" compound. This is so that you can manage your side effects. Taking multiple compounds will make it difficult to narrow down which one is causing issues. you can introduce secondary compounds in future cycles.

Now, a little more research will be needed, as you should not cycle without hCG to speed up recovery, maintain testicular function and prevent atrophy. Also needed on cycle is an AI (aromatase inhibitor) to control your inevitably increasing estrogen levels.

Lastly, your PCT should consist of both Nolva and Clomid, and doses like so: Nolva: 40/20/20/20 and Clomid: 75/50/50/50 - Each number is representative of the daily dose for that week.

Before you do anything of course, you must have a nutritional plan. Not only in place, but also implemented prior to beginning a cycle. Tons of info can be found in the nutrition section. But without proper nutrition, expect very poor results and lots of money wasted.

Best of luck.

[zdet77]

Thanks Austinite! I'll write that down.

[ryanvvc]

haha nice copy n paste lol. good info thoughh i just though taking the Arimidex would block the aromatase enzymes a little bit but not enough to stop gains and it would cut down the risk for gyno and bloat

[austinite]

haha nice copy n paste lol. good info thoughh i just though taking the Arimidex would block the aromatase enzymes a little bit but not enough to stop gains and it would cut down the risk for gyno and bloat

What are you referring to that is copy/paste?

[zdet77]

haha nice copy n paste lol. good info thoughh i just though taking the Arimidex would block the aromatase enzymes a little bit but not enough to stop gains and it would cut down the risk for gyno and bloat

Austinite didn't copy/paste the reply! The info given was very specific to what we had been talking about!

[zdet77]

What would be a safe bf % for cycling?

[austinite]

What would be a safe bf % for cycling?

Well, 20 % can be safe IF you have TONS of research done and do bloodwork regularly before, during and after cycle to manage E2 and other levels. But I recommend 16% or lower. 16% is VERY easy to achieve naturally from 20%. VERY easy.

[zdet77]

I will have bloodwork done and plenty more research. I'm usually about 170lbs. You have helped me narrow down my search area with the info you have given. I am planning on July to cycle. This gives me time to research everything, get a diet down, bloodwork and gear ready! Once again, Thank you very much for listening and explaining this. I don't want to be the newb that doesn't listen or do research. The knowledgeable members that take the time to explain this to us newbs, the least we can do is be respectful and appreciative! I will research HCG 's more in depth and work on the ole spare tire in the meantime.

[austinite]

I will have bloodwork done and plenty more research. I'm usually about 170lbs. You have helped me narrow down my search area with the info you have given. I am planning on July to cycle. This gives me time to research everything, get a diet down, bloodwork and gear ready! Once again, Thank you very much for listening and explaining this. I don't want to be the newb that doesn't listen or do research. The knowledgeable members that take the time to explain this to us newbs, the least we can do is be respectful and appreciative! I will research HCG's more in depth and work on the ole spare tire in the meantime.

Great. for hCG you will need at least 250iu twice weekly, for a total of 500iu. And I recommend Arimidex (anastrozole) for your AI, your starting dose should be 0.25mg every other day on cycle. So plan to get enough to cover those basic protocols.

[ryanvvc]

An AI such as Arimidex blocks the aromatase enzyme. Test-e and D-bol both aromatize, which can cause negative side effects such as Gynecomastia, excess water retention. SERM's or Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator, such as Nolvadex will only block the estrogen from binding and not all of it and an AI will not reduce estrogen. During PCT Arimidex is not the preferred medication. As it may hinder progression. Some estrogen is needed for tissue gains and a properly functioning body.

where did you get this info was it from this section did u just paste it

[Nicholas1]

Sorry to hear about the neck injury that sounds like the worst, USMC?

[Nicholas1]

Hi, is nolva and clomid ai's?

[zdet77]

In beginner cycles and first steroid cycles on the home page. I wrote all the info down pertaining to these cycles. If you see an underline on a word like SERM's you can click on the word and it will give you the definition and abbreviation meaning.

where did you get this info was it from this section did u just paste it

[zdet77]

In beginner cycles and first steroid cycles on the home page. I wrote all the info down pertaining to these cycles. If you see an underline on a word like SERM's you can click on the word and it will give you the definition and abbreviation meaning.

Look under the home page under steroid cycles/ beginner cycles/ novice cycles! I TRIED TO COPY THE LINK, but I can't as I am a new member!

[zdet77]

No They are SERM's

[zdet77]

Hi, is nolva and clomid ai's?

No they are SERM's