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    What's stronger between esthers?

    300mg of tren a or 450mg of tren e

    500mg of mast a or 700mg of mast e


    I can't remember where to find the esther chart.

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    None is stronger!

    Depends on ester weight, acetate is lighter than enanthate but not sure about the numbers.

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    Question really doesn't make sense...
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    This is what I found:

    trenbolone acetate dose ~ 85% of trenbolone enanthate dose

    75ed trenbolone ace = 75 x7 = 525 mg ew trenbolone ace

    trenbolone enan = trenbolone ace / .85 = 525/.85 ~ 600ew trenbolone enan

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    Esters - Actual mg/100mg dose

    Test no ester 100
    Tren acetate 87
    Test prop 83
    Test enanth 72
    Test cyp 70
    Test undecan 63
    Nand phenyl 67
    Nand deca 64


    300mg of tren a or 450mg of tren e = 261mg Ace vs 324mg Enth. 324mg Enth wins.

    500mg of mast a or 700mg of mast e = 435mg Ace vs 504mg Enth. 504mg Enth wins.

    Not completely sure if this is what you were referring to but these are my calculations based on your figures and published ester weights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox View Post
    Esters - Actual mg/100mg dose

    Test no ester 100
    Tren acetate 87
    Test prop 83
    Test enanth 72
    Test cyp 70
    Test undecan 63
    Nand phenyl 67
    Nand deca 64


    300mg of tren a or 450mg of tren e = 261mg Ace vs 324mg Enth. 324mg Enth wins.

    500mg of mast a or 700mg of mast e = 435mg Ace vs 504mg Enth. 504mg Enth wins.

    Not completely sure if this is what you were referring to but these are my calculations based on your figures and published ester weights.
    This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks Mickey!

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    You're welcome Shadow.

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    shorter esters generally give you more of the actual hormone mg for mg than longer esters.
    Acetate/prop will give more than enanthate /decanoate/cypionate .

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    Yes I would think the enenthate was much stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow530i
    300mg of tren a or 450mg of tren e

    500mg of mast a or 700mg of mast e

    I can't remember where to find the esther chart.
    Higher mg = stronger effect..... Ester has very little difference
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    Esters have to do with how fast the dose is absorbed. Shorter esters means you need more injections per cycle, so in the case you show the amount of short esters will build up more half lives quicker resulting in a higher total tes count at the end of same time period cycles. Also the mg doses of short esters will be higher at the end of cycle if you add all the injections x doses per same given time period.

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    You guys get that math done?

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    I've been looking for a thread where jimminked gave the perfect example of test build ups with esters
    I will keep looking for you
    It answers your question perfectly

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    Quote Originally Posted by tectime
    Esters have to do with how fast the dose is absorbed. Shorter esters means you need more injections per cycle, so in the case you show the amount of short esters will build up more half lives quicker resulting in a higher total tes count at the end of same time period cycles. Also the mg doses of short esters will be higher at the end of cycle if you add all the injections x doses per same given time period.
    Sorry but this doesn't make sense in my head.... not to say your wrong but could you further elaborate... It seems to me that longer esters would build up more because you would be taking additional injections weeks before the last injection levels decreased more then 50%.

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    Here's the thread I was looking for

    Jimmys reply at the end of the thread answers your question

    http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...est-right.html

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    Your short ester compounds have to be injected more often resulting in more overlapping half lives, if long esters are injected as often as short esters, say every other day instead of every 3.5 or whatever your cycle might be, then you will get a higher total tes count from the longer esters.

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    But back to the original question of which is stronger. Esters have to do with absorbsion rate not strength of a compound, the growth factor (type of compound : tes= 100 tren =500) and the mg/ml is what will determine strength of compound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tectime
    But back to the original question of which is stronger. Esters have to do with absorbsion rate not strength of a compound, the growth factor (type of compound : tes= 100 tren=500) and the mg/ml is what will determine strength of compound.
    Base is the strongest as its esterless you jab 100mg you get 100mg
    Or are you referring to anabolic ratings referred to in the steroid profiles?

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    If the lab accounts for the amount of ester present in a compound, you can still have, for example, 100mg of Testosterone Cypionate in 1ml of oil.

    The train of thought here is that if a bottle states 100mg/ml, and it's Cypionate , you only actually have 70mg/ml, but I'm not so sure that's always the case.

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