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    opinions on new fatburner from AF?


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    It looks pretty good to me. I will be interested to hear feedback when people start to use it but the principles behind it are sound as long as ingredients contain high enough amounts to accomplish what they need to. I respect Macro and don't think he or Ulter would bring anything to market they didn't feel was beneficial.

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    Originally posted by Rickson
    It looks pretty good to me. I will be interested to hear feedback when people start to use it but the principles behind it are sound as long as ingredients contain high enough amounts to accomplish what they need to. I respect Macro and don't think he or Ulter would bring anything to market they didn't feel was beneficial.
    Agreed, they do usually have good products, I put my opinion on it in the other thread on it. Must be there answer to the growing ephedra free market.

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    It's also extremely overpriced as are all of their products. Only a select few are proven to have significantly beneficial functions and it would be much less expensive to buy the generics of those.

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    its extremely competitively priced, particularly at 180caps.

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    Macro, have you guys thought of adding any Guggulsterone to it?? I have heard some good things about that and it seems to be the ephedra free rage now.

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    this product is extremely potent !!!!!it is VERY strong ,under any circumastnce do not take more then one .

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    bump for more info....might have to try this one out

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    Big N have you tried it??

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    my bro had some the stuff is pretty strong actually to much for me !

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    Originally posted by big N
    my bro had some the stuff is pretty strong actually to much for me !
    Damn, I might have to pick some up.

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    Originally posted by painintheazz
    Macro, have you guys thought of adding any Guggulsterone to it??
    holding off until we can test the pure Z and E material ALONE.. to see if its effective in a real world environment (not just taking sabinsa and somewhat questionable indian research at face value)..

    it will likely a be component of an upcoming product, however its fate with respect to thermorexin is at this time on hold.

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    Thanks mac, as always you guys are putting in some quality research to make sure you deliever quality products.

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    Originally posted by painintheazz
    Thanks mac, as always you guys are putting in some quality research to make sure you deliever quality products.

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    developing, finding and using quality ingredients and formulations...

    BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY

    want them to WORK.

    (isn't that what matters most to the end user?)

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    Yup Yup

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    any feedback, comments, opinions?

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    He 100 % right.

    Originally posted by big N
    my bro had some the stuff is pretty strong actually to much for me !
    dont be Billy Bad ass and go popping three of these. Im a big MOFO and 2 had me rattled...Im so fucking serious.

    Read the over 400 post on it..
    Chinups whats the link ??

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    Re: He 100 % right.

    Originally posted by nuke


    dont be Billy Bad ass and go popping three of these. Im a big MOFO and 2 had me rattled...Im so fucking serious.

    highly reccomend that all users.. even hardcore stim junkies start with 1 cap at a time.

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    Just got two bottles a week ago and taking 2 at a time now 2x a day and loving it.

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    Originally posted by Innervision
    Just got two bottles a week ago and taking 2 at a time now 2x a day and loving it.

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    any updates?

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    holding off until we can test the pure Z and E material ALONE
    somethings got a double bond somewhere


    I wanna try it soon. I need to talk to ulter.

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    Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate


    somethings got a double bond somewhere


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    Does anyone else sell it cheaper??

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    I might have to get some of this stuff. Any side- effects?

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    Originally posted by macrophage69alpha


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    Z and E, as in descriping trans and cis if you will, for compounds with double bonds.

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    macro, i just ordered some im a sucker for new fat burners lol, i even tried hotrox, which was $#%$#%# well i wont swear!! anyway i notice you said it had an effect on gh and slin, i also ordered my gh cycle today, can you tell us what effect on a gh cycle would be?? any negative effect or problems supplementing gh with this product??

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    Originally posted by The Original Jason
    macro, i just ordered some im a sucker for new fat burners lol, i even tried hotrox, which was $#%$#%# well i wont swear!! anyway i notice you said it had an effect on gh and slin, i also ordered my gh cycle today, can you tell us what effect on a gh cycle would be?? any negative effect or problems supplementing gh with this product??

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    no.. though you may need to watch blood sugar more carefully... there are several people on GH using it without any issues.

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    what makes you think it may have an effect on blood sugar? or more of an effect when used in conjunction with gh??

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    it is a potent lipolyic agent, such mobilization can.. due to increase in metabolism increase possibility of low blood sugar.. though most people report no such problems.

    GH blunts insulin effects... carb intake should be higher than normal to offset this..

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    to answer Q: on GH change of low blood sugar is less

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    I read the posts on elite fitness about how you can't take more than 1. The first day i took 1 and it did nothing. The next day I took 2 b/4 cardio and it worked well but no better than an other OTC. IMO I will look for something a little less expensive when I am done the bottle. Not a bad product but definitely not the "great" fat burner it was described as. (Currently I take 2 in the morning b/4 cardio and 2 at lunch with no problem)

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    spm162,

    most people judge a "fat burner" by its side effects- its stimulatory ones typically... give it time and see how the results compare.. (and with respect to dosing tolerance varies quite a bit.. there are quite a few hardcore EC junkies that can only take 2-3 a day... and there are some that cannot tolerate EC and can take 6 thermorexin... individual variations)

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    The way it works is a little different than I am used to. When I take it w/out doing cardio or any physical activity I don't really notice the effects. But when I take it and do physical activity, I do really notice the effects. The only drawback is that I don't feel the "energy" from it that I do from ephedra.

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    note you must use the discount code to get the "boards" price.

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    Originally posted by macrophage69alpha
    note you must use the discount code to get the "boards" price.

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    dont forget the code

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