High Tren low Test or opposite?

**UFO** · 05-19-2013, 02:54 PM

What do you guys prefer? I have heard many say they prefer High tren low test to minimize the sides of tren and still get good gains. I have also heard that for the best gains but more sides, run the test much higher than tren. Since tren and test compete for the same receptor and Tren is 5x more anabolic , it would make sense to me to run tren at an equal or higher dose than test. What do you guys prefer? Im running Tren a/prop/Mast

**Bio-Active** · 05-19-2013, 03:00 PM

What are your complete stats including cycle history and goals of the cycle?

**UFO** · 05-19-2013, 03:28 PM

5'10
194
9%bf
6 cycles prior.

Looking to continue dropping BF% while packing on lean mass with the tren . Have been running GH at 5iu for 4 months prior.

**austinite** · 05-19-2013, 03:29 PM

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**Bio-Active** · 05-19-2013, 03:33 PM

So your 24 and what were your other 6 cycles?

**UFO** · 05-19-2013, 03:36 PM

Im 25...how did you guess 24?
Test only cycle
3 deca cycles
Sust/eq/var
Tren a/prop

I also get bloods drawn before and after each cycle. Not just another child tryna jumo on the tren train, I have ran it before.

**UFO** · 05-19-2013, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

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Word thanks for the advice

**Bio-Active** · 05-19-2013, 03:46 PM

Dropping bodyfat and putting on mass is hard to do. Ultimately nutrition is what will determine the cut or the bulk and you can do either with Tren . For showing lean gains low test and higher Tren works wonders and nothing puts size on like a good dose of test. Make sure you have your ancillary's before you start

**UFO** · 05-19-2013, 03:53 PM

Thanks for the reply brother...yea Ive got caber, aromasin and letro on hand. Im keepin the diet pretty clean and sticking to low carbs. Really want to see the effects from the mast. So to stay super lean you suggest higher tren and for more bulk higher test. Maybe ill stick to a 1:1 ratio? Ive got a few cut stack bottles(tren/mast/prop) but also extra tren and prop bottles so I can go either way. The gh has really been helping me shred fat so thats another compound really cutting me up. Anything in terms of lessening sides if I run one way or the other?

**Bio-Active** · 05-19-2013, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by UFO

Thanks for the reply brother...yea Ive got caber, aromasin and letro on hand. Im keepin the diet pretty clean and sticking to low carbs. Really want to see the effects from the mast. So to stay super lean you suggest higher tren and for more bulk higher test. Maybe ill stick to a 1:1 ratio? Ive got a few cut stack bottles(tren/mast/prop) but also extra tren and prop bottles so I can go either way. The gh has really been helping me shred fat so thats another compound really cutting me up. Anything in terms of lessening sides if I run one way or the other?

No the aas will not make you super lean your diet will. You will notice the effects of the tren more if you are lean from your diet. Does that make more sense?

**UFO** · 05-19-2013, 04:26 PM

No I got you bro...I know that pretty much any compound can be a cutter or bulker depending on your diet. Just didnt know if high Tren vs high Test had any significant differences. Think ill just keep it simple at a 1:1 ratio and add in a little more carbs in the am. Thanks for the replies.

**Bio-Active** · 05-19-2013, 05:10 PM

Good luck

**AlinSR** · 05-19-2013, 06:44 PM

Super high tren absolutely will burn the shit out of bodyfat.

**Lunk1** · 05-19-2013, 06:50 PM

It comes down to personal preference mainly. There are benifits and sides to both methods.I prefer to lower my E2 related sides by running lower test levels.

**Bio-Active** · 05-19-2013, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by AlinshopRep

Super high tren absolutely will burn the shit out of bodyfat.

What do you consider super high?

**AlinSR** · 05-19-2013, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

What do you consider super high?

500mg and above

**The Titan99** · 05-19-2013, 09:52 PM

I always like running the Test higher. Makes me feel better, better libido, and test is definitely a (maybe the best) mass builder. Test is all pro for me with no con (except estro, which can be controlled).

Not only that, when you end your cycle and drop the water from the higher test dose, it's like unveiling the sculpture you've been working on. In a week you'll be lean, ripped and the look from the Tren is really accentuated. I'm doing the same thing with high Test/NPP/Anadrol /Masteron /Proviron and 7 i.u.'s of quality GH ed. My test dose is formidable as is the Drol. I'm bulking like mad (up to 122 kg) but still lean underneath. When the test/drol/NPP leave my system with the GH doing it's thing the whole time, it should be awesome. I find the same thing with test/tren/masteron.

Of course it goes without saying the diet HAS to be clean and big in order to have the best effect!!

**briansvk** · 05-19-2013, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by UFO

Thanks for the reply brother...yea Ive got caber, aromasin and letro on hand. Im keepin the diet pretty clean and sticking to low carbs. Really want to see the effects from the mast. So to stay super lean you suggest higher tren and for more bulk higher test. Maybe ill stick to a 1:1 ratio? Ive got a few cut stack bottles(tren/mast/prop) but also extra tren and prop bottles so I can go either way. The gh has really been helping me shred fat so thats another compound really cutting me up. Anything in terms of lessening sides if I run one way or the other?

I ran 700mg test p with only 250 tren and 350 mast and got to 4% with quality diet.. So I would not just rely on compounds and that they will do the hard work... Compounds assist, but the harder part is up to you..

And another thing... Do you ran t4 with your GH? If not I suggest to start as soon as possible...

**The Titan99** · 05-20-2013, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by briansvk

I ran 700mg test p with only 250 tren and 350 mast and got to 4% with quality diet.. So I would not just rely on compounds and that they will do the hard work... Compounds assist, but the harder part is up to you..

And another thing... Do you ran t4 with your GH? If not I suggest to start as soon as possible...

I run T3 with GH. I've been waiting for someone to talk me into T4 but it seems to me all T4 does is convert to T3, right? So why not just take T3?

**briansvk** · 05-20-2013, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by The Titan99

I run T3 with GH. I've been waiting for someone to talk me into T4 but it seems to me all T4 does is convert to T3, right? So why not just take T3?

Stop doing that immediately... I was explaining exactly this topic much lately... You are hurting your progress (killing some GH potential).. More about that in here:

T4 or T3 with HGH

**lovbyts** · 05-20-2013, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by The Titan99

I run T3 with GH. I've been waiting for someone to talk me into T4 but it seems to me all T4 does is convert to T3, right? So why not just take T3?

I cant remember specifically why but there is a good reason and using T3 does not work the same as using T4 so as said, stop that. Ill see if I can find what I read before.

What’s needed is the actual conversion process of T4-T3, and the deiodinase presence and activity that it involves. This is because Local 5'-deiodination of l-thyroxine (T4) to active the thyroid hormone 3,3',5-tri-iodothyronine (T3) is catalyzed by the two 5'-deiodinase enzymes (D1 and D2). These enzymes not only "create" T3 out of T4, but actually regulates various T(3)-dependent functions in many tissues including the anterior pituitary and liver. So when there is an excess of T3 in the body, but normal levels of T4, the body’s thyroid axis sends a negative feedback signal., and produces less (D1 and D2) deiodinase, but more of the D3 type, which signals the cessation of the T4-T3 conversion process, and is inhibitory of many of the synergistic effects that T3 has!

Thyroid Hormone + Growth Hormone with James Daemon, Ph.D.

**UFO** · 05-20-2013, 11:00 AM

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**UFO** · 05-20-2013, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by briansvk

I ran 700mg test p with only 250 tren and 350 mast and got to 4% with quality diet.. So I would not just rely on compounds and that they will do the hard work... Compounds assist, but the harder part is up to you..

And another thing... Do you ran t4 with your GH? If not I suggest to start as soon as possible...

No I do not nor do I plan on it....T4 is not a NECESSITY while on GH. Yes it is possible that it may lower your T4 levels but not a garuntee. I got bloods tests about a month ago and my T4 levels were spot on even while on 5iu. Once you **** up your thyroid thats it, its ****ed. So its not something I am willing to gamble with. Bloods tell all brother.

**UFO** · 05-20-2013, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by The Titan99

I always like running the Test higher. Makes me feel better, better libido, and test is definitely a (maybe the best) mass builder. Test is all pro for me with no con (except estro, which can be controlled).

Not only that, when you end your cycle and drop the water from the higher test dose, it's like unveiling the sculpture you've been working on. In a week you'll be lean, ripped and the look from the Tren is really accentuated. I'm doing the same thing with high Test/NPP/Anadrol /Masteron /Proviron and 7 i.u.'s of quality GH ed. My test dose is formidable as is the Drol. I'm bulking like mad (up to 122 kg) but still lean underneath. When the test/drol/NPP leave my system with the GH doing it's thing the whole time, it should be awesome. I find the same thing with test/tren/masteron.

Of course it goes without saying the diet HAS to be clean and big in order to have the best effect!!

Nice post thanks bro. I think for now, since I got the beach coming up lol, Im going to stick to a 1:1 ratio to stay shredded. Then after that I will double my prop dose and pack on some more lbs.