No More Letro for Gyno!

[GKE05]

Question: Is it essential Ralox (once mixed) be stored in the fridge? Or is room temp (in a dark drawer or something) fine?

Edit: Apparently it is. Ignore this question

[dominicanbjj]

Question..

ive been off my PCT from a test prop and winny cutting cycle..i am gyno prone, i has pubertal gyno.

some say i dont have gyno now..it doesnt look so bad like people that ive seen but i have puffy nipples always, when they get pointy my chest looks awesome. Its just the puffiness, or maybe im crazy or bloated.

Ralox is hard to get in my country, tamox is easy and like $7dollars pero 30x 20mg pills... can i treat this with tamox first to see if it works?? at what dose and how much time>??? ...i hope i have luck, is it does not work then ill make a sacrifice and get Ralox.

[austinite]

^ That looks like fat. If you don't feel a lump, you don't have gyno.

That being said, Tamox can reverse gyno. 40mg for 1 week, then 20mg daily until it's gone.

[dominicanbjj]

thanks!!

[kelkel]

And make your bed in that picture.

[dominicanbjj]

you say it can reverse gyno...but can it treat old gyno?

[austinite]

you say it can reverse gyno...but can it treat old gyno?

Raloxifene is your best option for older gynecomastia . You may need to do some legwork and find a way to obtain it.

[jimmyinkedup]

you say it can reverse gyno...but can it treat old gyno?

Its your best shot (actually raloxifene is-you should see if arr ships to you and get ome ralox from them).
Anyway it has been shown to treat old or pubertal / pre existing gyno yes. There are however no guarantees. Considering your only other option is surgery it is well worth a shot IMO.

[dominicanbjj]

so when you saw the pics you agreed it must be gyno?!

[dominicanbjj]

Its your best shot (actually raloxifene is-you should see if arr ships to you and get ome ralox from them).
Anyway it has been shown to treat old or pubertal / pre existing gyno yes. There are however no guarantees. Considering your only other option is surgery it is well worth a shot IMO.

Also, i dont understand the dosage from arr ralox...how much does 1 bottle last me at the recommended dose? and what is that dose?!

[austinite]

Also, i dont understand the dosage from arr ralox...how much does 1 bottle last me at the recommended dose? and what is that dose?!

Gyno symptom? Lump etc. Start 60mg ralox/day and up ai dose as current dose was not adequately managing estrogen. When lump goes away cease serm use and continue on with elevated ai doages till end of cycle up to pct.

arr ralox comes in 60ml bottle. Each ml contains 60mg. So you have 60 doses.

[dominicanbjj]

arr ralox comes in 60ml bottle. Each ml contains 60mg. So you have 60 doses.

thanks Austinite...one more thing, if im not on cycle, should i use AI just as stated before or just the ralox?

[austinite]

AI on-cycle only.

[fender08]

You said it starts working immediately. I'm just curious how orals work so well considering the dose is so small. Is it obsorbed by your tounge or what?

[austinite]

You said it starts working immediately. I'm just curious how orals work so well considering the dose is so small. Is it obsorbed by your tounge or what?

What? Can you rephrase the question please? I don't understand it.

[fender08]

Mix? With what??? And it dose or dose not need to be refrigerated. I've been reading non stop on this stuff for weeks and read nothing of mixing it or refrigerating it. I feel like i was about to completely waste this stuff for months. Anyone care to clarify?

[austinite]

hmmm, The old stuff came in powder form and needed to be mixed. Arr now carries a premixed liquid compound. It should be either refrigerated or kept in a cool dark place. Ralox lasts 9 months to a year before it expires.

[fender08]

So once it's opened I guess it needs refrigerated? Gotcha. Hopefully the bottle I opened last night is still good. Thanks!

[austinite]

No. It's not Salsa. Open or closed, keep it in the fridge or in a dark cool place

[fender08]

Lol gotcha. Just wondered because its shipped and its warm. But I understand the concept.

[Juced_porkchop]

bump (maybe having two thread uptop about this will open more eyes : ) )

[Machdiesel]

Ok here's my situation. I have extensive trt bloodwork. I know when my E2 Hits 50 I get itchy nips and the onset of gyno. Ontop of this I aromatize very easily. On. 200mg of test a week I take 12.5 mg of exemestane and e2 is 15-20. My question is I live In NJ so can not get mid cycle BW. I want to do my first blast at 500 mg and scared to death of gyno . What would you reccomend my starting AI DOSE be? 12.5 3x a day? Also I think running 20mg of nolva a day seems like a good idea for someone like me

[OdinsOtherSon]

Bump...

[OdinsOtherSon]

stickie????

[GSXRvi6]

Don't forget DHT's (I posted a link somewhere on this forum about it months ago)

DHT cream is sold overseas to combat gyno.

I have always had a small lump under my left side since puberty, I did a 40mg/day of anavar and poof, it's gone... DHT acts as an estrogen antagonist to a degree and does not convert to estrogen.

[GSXRvi6]

Here it is

Gyno and lack of DHT link

[jimmyinkedup]

Don't forget DHT's (I posted a link somewhere on this forum about it months ago)

DHT cream is sold overseas to combat gyno.

I have always had a small lump under my left side since puberty, I did a 40mg/day of anavar and poof, it's gone... DHT acts as an estrogen antagonist to a degree and does not convert to estrogen.

I think raloxifene along with andactrim gel is a great approach. Kelkel talks about that often as well. I think ralox and andactrim is a great 1-2 punch when it comes to gyno treatment.
I think orally taken dht does more in the way of shifting androgen/estrogen balance rather than work right on the gyno itself. It does obviously work on the gyno directly but oral use i think does more to shift the ratio, which in some cases is just what is required as sometimes that is the actualy cause of gyno. Poor androgeen/estrogen ratio and not strictly elevated e2.

[NACH3]

I think raloxifene along with andactrim gel is a great approach. Kelkel talks about that often as well. I think ralox and andactrim is a great 1-2 punch when it comes to gyno treatment.
I think orally taken dht does more in the way of shifting androgen/estrogen balance rather than work right on the gyno itself. It does obviously work on the gyno directly but oral use i think does more to shift the ratio, which in some cases is just what is required as sometimes that is the actualy cause of gyno. Poor androgeen/estrogen ratio and not strictly elevated e2.

What are your thoughts on ralox as opposed to low dose(10-20mgs ed) of tamox?? I've heard Kel say both are good but he responds better to nolva... I'm wondering b/c I've been on ralox for roughly 7-8wks and tho my flare up is controlled and grits just starting now to get slightly smaller(lump) but it was pretty small and I hoped for a reversal... I don't think that's gonna happen but obviously E2 is always first line of defense... What are your opinions?

[jimmyinkedup]

What are your thoughts on ralox as opposed to low dose(10-20mgs ed) of tamox?? I've heard Kel say both are good but he responds better to nolva... I'm wondering b/c I've been on ralox for roughly 7-8wks and tho my flare up is controlled and grits just starting now to get slightly smaller(lump) but it was pretty small and I hoped for a reversal... I don't think that's gonna happen but obviously E2 is always first line of defense... What are your opinions?

Well here is the thing. Ralox is more effective at blocking e2 at the recptor in breast tissue than tamox. The difference is small but it is of clinical significance. This make ralox my first choice. Does this mean tamox is ineffective? No way, not at all. It is effective and I think either one will work. I just think that Ralox will work a little bit better and I dont think if ralox reversed it that there is anything elsse out there (including tamox) that will.
That being said as kel and GSXR have pointed out DHT can assist in this as well. You may want to consider trying Andactrim gel as a topical treatment alongside of ralox. It might give you that little extra edge you need to get you where you want t be as far as ridding yourself of this PIA lump.

[NACH3]

Well here is the thing. Ralox is more effective at blocking e2 at the recptor in breast tissue than tamox. The difference is small but it is of clinical significance. This make ralox my first choice. Does this mean tamox is ineffective? No way, not at all. It is effective and I think either one will work. I just think that Ralox will work a little bit better and I dont think if ralox reversed it that there is anything elsse out there (including tamox) that will.
That being said as kel and GSXR have pointed out DHT can assist in this as well. You may want to consider trying Andactrim gel as a topical treatment alongside of ralox. It might give you that little extra edge you need to get you where you want t be as far as ridding yourself of this PIA lump.

Thx Jimmy... The points you made were exactly why I did choose ralox from the get go... And as you pointed out dht can be even more along side SERM.... So I am going to read up on adactrim and apply it as well!

Note - I am not having any type of soreness sensitivity etc - so controlling E2 even more prevelant - and I've noticed w/an addition of low dose var it's helped as well(dht) - this is where mast comes in to play when running test & tren (obviously on top of ones AI dosage)

[Bodacious]

Hey Nach if you dont mind what cycle was you on to get gyno?

[Buster Brown]

I just finished up a nov protocol (20 mgs a day) that I used from a cycle flare up ( tes/tren /dbol ) despite an AI and PA I still seem to get a flare up every other cycle. The nov is slowwwwwwww but effective and I always keep it on hand but I am strongly considering ralox from now on and maybe just use a low dose (10 mgs a day) if I am going to be running drol as a preventative.

[jimmyinkedup]

I just finished up a nov protocol (20 mgs a day) that I used from a cycle flare up ( tes/tren/dbol) despite an AI and PA I still seem to get a flare up every other cycle. The nov is slowwwwwwww but effective and I always keep it on hand but I am strongly considering ralox from now on and maybe just use a low dose (10 mgs a day) if I am going to be running drol as a preventative.

Just my opinion but I would think that 20mg/day would be a good preventative dose of raloxifene. I think if you get down around the 10mg/day if ralox its too low for it to exert enough of an effect. I mean you could try at 10 and if you get a tingle up it to 20 but 20 may very well be the minimum effective dosage of this serm.

[Buster Brown]

Just my opinion but I would think that 20mg/day would be a good preventative dose of raloxifene. I think if you get down around the 10mg/day if ralox its too low for it to exert enough of an effect. I mean you could try at 10 and if you get a tingle up it to 20 but 20 may very well be the minimum effective dosage of this serm.

I agree jimmy .......I was talking about the nov at 10 mgs a day on cycle ( only because I have a ton of it) and save the ralox if I was to have an outbreak. Nice write ups as usual/ hope you had a good summer!

[jimmyinkedup]

I agree jimmy .......I was talking about the nov at 10 mgs a day on cycle ( only because I have a ton of it) and save the ralox if I was to have an outbreak. Nice write ups as usual/ hope you had a good summer!

Ahh gotcha. Yeah nolva @ 10 is perfect! Thanks for the kind words. My summer was good but I am glad school is back in- gets the kiddies out of the wife's hair during the day and makes the couple days a week I work from home a lot better man! Hope u had a great summer too BB!

[GSXRvi6]

Safe to assume Andractim is a controlled substance in the U.S.?

[NACH3]

Safe to assume Andractim is a controlled substance in the U.S.?

I was just gonna look this up - im curiius as I want to add it to my protocol...

@Bodacious - I don't even know when I got it - it was after I had made my decision to go the TRT route - im thinking that it was from my current cycle(in the very beginning I frontloaded my Deca and I really didn't need to but I'm seeing how my body responds and idk - I woke up and BOOM - it was controlled via NOLVA at first only until I got ralox(as I wanted to try and reverse the lil guy - it's just one of those things sometimes - but I will say it's a must to control your E2 if you get a flare up or have a lump! Always your first line of defense!

I'm looking into adactrim as well on the behalf of this thread -

@ Buster - did you ever use this topical cream along side your nolva?

[NACH3]

Just my opinion but I would think that 20mg/day would be a good preventative dose of raloxifene. I think if you get down around the 10mg/day if ralox its too low for it to exert enough of an effect. I mean you could try at 10 and if you get a tingle up it to 20 but 20 may very well be the minimum effective dosage of this serm.

Interesting - this is individual and dependent on the lump as well, correct? I've always assumed that 60mgs/day is/was the most effective dose(for ralox after the frontload of 120mgs)? Does it lose its effectiveness at higher doses for long periods of time?

[Buster Brown]

I was just gonna look this up - im curiius as I want to add it to my protocol... @Bodacious - I don't even know when I got it - it was after I had made my decision to go the TRT route - im thinking that it was from my current cycle(in the very beginning I frontloaded my Deca and I really didn't need to but I'm seeing how my body responds and idk - I woke up and BOOM - it was controlled via NOLVA at first only until I got ralox(as I wanted to try and reverse the lil guy - it's just one of those things sometimes - but I will say it's a must to control your E2 if you get a flare up or have a lump! Always your first line of defense! I'm looking into adactrim as well on the behalf of this thread - @ Buster - did you ever use this topical cream along side your nolva?

No, but I did look into after Kel schooled me on it and I was having a hard time with the site I was trying to purchase it from that I got exasperated. I have only used Nov in the past and although slow it has never failed me (knock on wood). I would def give the cream a chance......anything to speed up the process.

[NACH3]

No, but I did look into after Kel schooled me on it and I was having a hard time with the site I was trying to purchase it from that I got exasperated. I have only used Nov in the past and although slow it has never failed me (knock on wood). I would def give the cream a chance......anything to speed up the process.

Thx Buster!

I was just looking over your post up top regarding giving ralox a shot(same $$ tag) but like Jimmy mentioned it's blocks E2 at the breast tissue moreso than nolva(and was one reason I pent w/it... It leveled out quickly - but as we know controlling E2 is always going to be number one - but for some of us we need a lil extra -

The ralox has been effective I think I just caught it too late :/ but am going to give adactrim a try alongside! I think it's a good idea to try it or have one in hand to try and if it doesn't work out like you thought - good ole nolva will do