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    First cycle....help.

    Hello,

    I'm looking to start my first cycle soon and will be running test e for 12 weeks. I have heard this is the best cycle for beginners as you only have to pin twice a week. I will also be throwing in some Tamoxifen and Arimidex . I have heard from others that running a HCG like HCGenerate is not really needed. Any truth to this?

    Also, since it's my first cycle I'm not going to go with a kickstart like dbol . I will hold that off until next run.

    BTW, here are my stats.

    Age- 30
    Training- 3-4 years
    HT- 6'2"
    Wt- 215
    Body Fat- around 11%
    Diet- 6 CLEAN meals a day

    I'm just looking for some tips and suggestions as this is my first cycle. Thanks in advance.

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    Good starting stats man. Welcome to the forum.

    HCGenerate is not what we refer to here. hCG (Human chorionic gonadotropin ) is what you're looking for and cycling without it would irresponsible.

    You don't need Tamox on cycle, use that for your PCT along with Clomid. You'll need an AI like arimidex on cycle.

    Skip the dbol , you don't need it for your first cycle, just run Test E.

    Do as much research as you can on beginner cycles, use the educational threads section, propose a full cycle and we'll critique it for you.

    Best of luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uoflcards View Post
    Hello,

    I'm looking to start my first cycle soon and will be running test e for 12 weeks. I have heard this is the best cycle for beginners as you only have to pin twice a week. I will also be throwing in some Tamoxifen and Arimidex . I have heard from others that running a HCG like HCGenerate is not really needed. Any truth to this?

    Also, since it's my first cycle I'm not going to go with a kickstart like dbol . I will hold that off until next run.

    BTW, here are my stats.

    Age- 30
    Training- 3-4 years
    HT- 6'2"
    Wt- 215
    Body Fat- around 11%
    Diet- 6 CLEAN meals a day

    I'm just looking for some tips and suggestions as this is my first cycle. Thanks in advance.
    Ok tamoxifen and arimidex aren't used togther, arimidex will be your ai to keep e levels down therefore to hopefully eliminate estrogen side effects. Tamoxifen will be used with clomid for you pct these will get your body to create test and other hormones that have been suppressed due to cycling to natural function. Now hcg and HCgenrerate are not close to the same at all hcg IMO is a must throughout the cycle. There is info on all these subjects right here on this site I suggest you do your own research on them all it will give you a better understanding. Your stats are g2g too as long as the bf is correct not saying its not just some miss judge it often IMO.
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    Agree with austinite.

    Looks green to go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Good starting stats man. Welcome to the forum.

    HCGenerate is not what we refer to here. hCG (Human chorionic gonadotropin ) is what you're looking for and cycling without it would irresponsible.

    You don't need Tamox on cycle, use that for your PCT along with Clomid. You'll need an AI like arimidex on cycle.

    Skip the dbol , you don't need it for your first cycle, just run Test E.

    Do as much research as you can on beginner cycles, use the educational threads section, propose a full cycle and we'll critique it for you.

    Best of luck.
    Beat me to it aus lol we must have been typing at the same time lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Good starting stats man. Welcome to the forum.

    HCGenerate is not what we refer to here. hCG (Human chorionic gonadotropin ) is what you're looking for and cycling without it would irresponsible.

    You don't need Tamox on cycle, use that for your PCT along with Clomid. You'll need an AI like arimidex on cycle.

    Skip the dbol , you don't need it for your first cycle, just run Test E.

    Do as much research as you can on beginner cycles, use the educational threads section, propose a full cycle and we'll critique it for you.

    Best of luck.
    So, I need hCG as well. What is a good one to go with?

    Also, I plan on taking Finasteride for hair loss. I also plan on getting something for acne.

    If you don't mind me asking could you line me up with a full test e first cycle here if possible and how it will look? Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uoflcards View Post
    So, I need hCG as well. What is a good one to go with?

    Also, I plan on taking Finasteride for hair loss. I also plan on getting something for acne.

    If you don't mind me asking could you line me up with a full test e first cycle here if possible and how it will look? Thanks in advance.
    Absolutely not. No offense. You need to do this yourself. I'll be happy to critique it, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite

    Absolutely not. No offense. You need to do this yourself. I'll be happy to critique it, however.
    ^^^Couldn't agree more. He'll learn more by reading and asking for input than being spoon fed.

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    I'll get my cycle together and post it later and have you guys critique it then.

    Also, since I'm a newbie I really don't want to pin more than I have to. Is there an oral or pill form of hCG I can get or is it just injected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uoflcards View Post
    I'll get my cycle together and post it later and have you guys critique it then.

    Also, since I'm a newbie I really don't want to pin more than I have to. Is there an oral or pill form of hCG I can get or is it just injected?
    Looking forward to it. No pill form for hCG . It's painless, subQ injections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uoflcards
    I'll get my cycle together and post it later and have you guys critique it then.

    Also, since I'm a newbie I really don't want to pin more than I have to. Is there an oral or pill form of hCG I can get or is it just injected?
    You'll get great feedback from members here.

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    Ok.

    Here is my cycle. I know it will need to be critiqued but that is what I am here for.

    Test E 250mg/2x a wk (500mg/wk) wks 1-12
    hCG 250iu/2x a wk wks 4-8
    Arimidex 10mg/ED wks 1-12
    Tamoxifen 20mg/ED wks 14-16

    Critique away. I know I need it.

    Be easy on me. I'm a newbie looking for tips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uoflcards View Post
    Ok.

    Here is my cycle. I know it will need to be critiqued but that is what I am here for.

    Test E 250mg/2x a wk (500mg/wk) wks 1-12
    hCG 250iu/2x a wk wks 4-8
    Arimidex 10mg/ED wks 1-12
    Tamoxifen 20mg/ED wks 14-16

    Critique away. I know I need it.

    Be easy on me. I'm a newbie looking for tips.
    - Run hCG all 12 weeks.
    - Run Adex at 0.25mg (that's a quarter of a milligram) week 1 to 14 every other day.
    - PCT should look like this:
    - - Clomid: 75/50/50/50 and Tamox: 40/20/20/20 (Each number is representative of the daily dose for that week, 4 weeks total)
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    - Run hCG all 12 weeks.
    - Run Adex at 0.25mg (that's a quarter of a milligram) week 1 to 14 every other day.
    - PCT should look like this:
    - - Clomid: 75/50/50/50 and Tamox: 40/20/20/20 (Each number is representative of the daily dose for that week, 4 weeks total)
    Ok. Regarding the PCT do I have to take Clomid along with Tamox or can I just take Tamox? I have heard that Clomid causes some acne problems.

    Also regarding the PCT I'm a little confused on what the numbers mean. Do I only take the PCT 4x a week for four weeks? I'm confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uoflcards View Post
    Ok. Regarding the PCT do I have to take Clomid along with Tamox or can I just take Tamox? I have heard that Clomid causes some acne problems.

    Also regarding the PCT I'm a little confused on what the numbers mean. Do I only take the PCT 4x a week for four weeks? I'm confused.
    Yes, you need Clomid. Check this thread for help with Acne.

    PCT is 4 weeks, like it says above.

    Week 1's daily dose / Week 2's daily dose / Week 3's daily dose / Week 4's daily dose

    Still confused?
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    Yes.

    For example- Clomid-75?/everyday that week for week 1/50?/everyday that for week 2

    Is that correct?

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    huh?

    7 days of Clomid @75 everyday for those 7 days + Tamox @ 40 everyday for those 7 days - then...
    7 days of Clomid @50 everyday for those 7 days + Tamox @ 20 everyday for those 7 days - then...
    7 days of Clomid @50 everyday for those 7 days + Tamox @ 20 everyday for those 7 days - then...
    7 days of Clomid @50 everyday for those 7 days + Tamox @ 20 everyday for those 7 days - then...

    Done. That's 4 weeks.

    Still confused?
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    Thank you SO much for your help. The tamox and arimidex I will be running is the liquid form. Clomid as well. I appreciate your information so much....also could you possibly point me in the right direction of finding some hCG ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uoflcards View Post
    Thank you SO much for your help. The tamox and arimidex I will be running is the liquid form. Clomid as well. I appreciate your information so much....also could you possibly point me in the right direction of finding some hCG?
    Google You'll find t.
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    Ok, question.

    I have been taking a natty T-booster (DAA). My question is will I need to stop the booster and take a break before running my cycle or can I hop right off this and run my test e cycle?

    Again, thanks again for all the help. I really appreciate it.

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    ^ just drop that junk and run your cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    ^ just drop that junk and run your cycle.
    Okay.

    So no reason to break after dropping the DAA when I'm ready to start my cycle? I can go right from the DAA to my cycle no problem, correct?

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    Yeah, no break needed, but you should get bloodwork before you cycle and check your estrogen and prolactin levels.
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    Hi Everyone, I am new to this forum.

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    Weight- 172lbs
    BF- 15% (Approx)
    Testosterone level- 456 ng/dl

    Been training for 2 yrs. I have decided to take steroids (ANAVAR ). Coz my test level is more than average & I don't wanna mess with it.

    Anavar 40-50mg ED weeks 1-8 (Ethopharma Anavar 200 tabs of 10mg each)
    Tribulus 4-5g ED weeks 1-12
    Liv 52ds 2tabs ED weeks 1-8
    Flax oil (Omega 3-6-9)weeks 1-8
    Universal daily formula
    On gold standard whey
    Clomid 25-50mg ED weeks 9-12
    Joint support ED weeks 3-8


    Is this a good cycle. I also have test-E in hand & arimidex , nolva both for safe side.

    Should I use only anavar . or test-E + anavar. As it's my first cycle I wanna go for single compound steroid . Pls help me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lagoon Das View Post
    Hi Everyone, I am new to this forum.

    My stats
    Age-26
    Height-5ft 8"
    Weight- 172lbs
    BF- 15% (Approx)
    Testosterone level- 456 ng/dl

    Been training for 2 yrs. I have decided to take steroids (ANAVAR ). Coz my test level is more than average & I don't wanna mess with it.

    Anavar 40-50mg ED weeks 1-8 (Ethopharma Anavar 200 tabs of 10mg each)
    Tribulus 4-5g ED weeks 1-12
    Liv 52ds 2tabs ED weeks 1-8
    Flax oil (Omega 3-6-9)weeks 1-8
    Universal daily formula
    On gold standard whey
    Clomid 25-50mg ED weeks 9-12
    Joint support ED weeks 3-8


    Is this a good cycle. I also have test-E in hand & arimidex , nolva both for safe side.

    Should I use only anavar . or test-E + anavar. As it's my first cycle I wanna go for single compound steroid . Pls help me.
    Welcome. Please start your own thread. This thread is tailored to uoflcards.
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    I've decided (by advice from other peers) that on this first cycle I'm not going to run the hcg and see how my body reacts and recovers. I know this isn't the advice I was given and I respect your advice but hcg seems like a pain in the ass to mix and deal with for just a rest e only cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uoflcards View Post
    I've decided (by advice from other peers) that on this first cycle I'm not going to run the hcg and see how my body reacts and recovers. I know this isn't the advice I was given and I respect your advice but hcg seems like a pain in the ass to mix and deal with for just a rest e only cycle.
    Didn't expect that to be the reason not to use hCG . On second thought... you probably shouldn't cycle at all. If you're too lazy to deal with hCG then you probably won't give your diet and training your all. This is very common though. You're just lumping yourself with the 90% that half-ass everything. (no offense)

    Good luck.
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    ^ Austinite's the man

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Didn't expect that to be the reason not to use hCG . On second thought... you probably shouldn't cycle at all. If you're too lazy to deal with hCG then you probably won't give your diet and training your all. This is very common though. You're just lumping yourself with the 90% that half-ass everything. (no offense)

    Good luck.
    Won't give my diet and training my all? No offense but I'm one of the most dedicated people you will meet. I trust your advice majorly and want to take the hcg. I have looked everywhere for it and cannot find it. Some sites you need a "passcode" just to buy it.

    Again, don't think I don't value all of you guys opinions, because this is the reason I joined was to soak up this info like a sponge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uoflcards
    I've decided (by advice from other peers) that on this first cycle I'm not going to run the hcg and see how my body reacts and recovers. I know this isn't the advice I was given and I respect your advice but hcg seems like a pain in the ass to mix and deal with for just a rest e only cycle.
    Adding water to powder is a pain in the ass?
    How do you go about your daily life?
    I feel for you bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by panntastic View Post
    Adding water to powder is a pain in the ass?
    How do you go about your daily life?
    I feel for you bro
    I've never witnessed it done just like I said I've just heard that from peers. Call them lazy if you want I just wanted opinions on this subject here where I respect those opinions. Just wanted you guys to chime in. Honestly I wanna take the hcg .

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    Quote Originally Posted by uoflcards

    I've never witnessed it done just like I said I've just heard that from peers. Call them lazy if you want I just wanted opinions on this subject here where I respect those opinions. Just wanted you guys to chime in. Honestly I wanna take the hcg.
    If your peers tell you mixing bac water with powder is hard you may need to start questioning them
    Its literally that simple ad water to powder shake and job done

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    I will be taking hcg on my first cycle. Want to do this right.

    I want to thank Austinite and the others for their help. I'm going with Austinite's advice over my peers as I trust his advice. Thanks again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by uoflcards View Post
    I will be taking hcg on my first cycle. Want to do this right.

    I want to thank Austinite and the others for their help. I'm going with Austinite's advice over my peers as I trust his advice. Thanks again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    ^ just drop that junk and run your cycle.
    It is unclear whether DAA is "junk". You may or may not want to take it during PCT and after. Like all novel compounds, we are getting pictures of something that could be promising. Austinite and others please take a glance at this study: The role and molecular mechanism of D-aspartic acid in the release and synthesis of LH and testosterone in humans and rats, Enza Topo, Reproductive Biology and Endocrinology 2009, 7:120 (RB&E | Full text | The role and molecular mechanism of D-aspartic acid in the release and synthesis of LH and testosterone in human and rats)

    Here is an interesting excerpt:

    Dose:

    "Every morning at breakfast for 12 consecutive days subjects in the first group were invited to consume, by mouth a solution of 10 ml of 2.0 M sodium D-aspartate (3.12 g/10 ml) supplemented with vitamin B6, folic acid and vitamin B12 and diluted in half a glass of water or fruit juice. This solution is marketed in Italy under the name DADAVIT"

    Result:

    Concerning the LH pattern, the results demonstrated that after 12 days of D-Asp treatment, 20 out of 23 (87%) participants had significantly increased concentrations of LH in their blood with respect to basal values (the value of LH found in the same subjects before starting treatment). Statistical analysis demonstrated that the value (mean SEM) of serum calculated for all the 23 subjects treated with D-Asp increased by 33.3%. From a basal-level mean of 4.2 0.5 mIU/ml, LH rose to a mean value of 5.6 0.9 mIU/ml (Table 1). The increase was statistically significant (ANOVA with repeated measures: [F(2,82) = 24.279, p < 0.0001]). LH concentration determined in the placebo group after D-Asp treatment compared with the level before treatment had not increased [ANOVA: F(1,82) = 0.643, p > 0.427]), thus indicating that the increase of LH due to D-aspartate treatment was authentic. The effect of D-aspartate on LH increase was time dependent. When subjects drank sodium D-aspartate for 6 days, LH increased only 1.07-fold, and this value was not statistically significant (Table 1). However, when the treatment of D-Asp was continued for 12 consecutive days, the LH concentration in the serum increased significantly (benefit effects). In order to know how long LH remained increased in the blood after the suspension of the treatment, we measured the concentration of LH in the serum 3 days after the D-Asp treatment or the placebo treatment was suspended. The results indicated that 3 days after suspension of D-Asp treatment, LH was still found at a 1.14-fold increased levels compared with the respect of basal level, but not statistically significant (Table 1).

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    Concerning the effect of D-Asp on the induction of testosterone release, after 12 days of D-Asp treatment, the levels of testosterone in the serum of the participants were significantly increased compared with basal levels. Out of 23 participants, 20 had increased testosterone. From a mean of 4.5 0.6 ng/ml serum at zero time, it rose to 6.4 0.8 ng/ml, a 42% increase (Table 1). Statistical analyses indicated a significant effect [ANOVA with repeated measures: treatment effect: F(1,82) = 7.724, p < 0.0082] and a significant interaction between treatment and days [F(2,82) = 32.599; P < 0.0001]. As with LH, so also with testosterone, the effect of D-aspartate was time dependent. When subjects were treated with sodium-D-aspartate for only 6 days, testosterone was found of 1.15-fold higher than basal levels, but this increase was not statistically significant (Table 1). Interestingly 3 days after the suspension of D-Asp treatment, testosterone was still increased 1.22-fold compared with the basal levels (5.8 0.6 ng/ml against 4.5 0.6 ng/ml). Fisher's post-hoc analysis also revealed a significant difference in the testosterone concentration in the serum 3 days after the end of the treatment (p < 0.01) (Table 1). One plausible explanation of this phenomenon is that since in rats ingested D-Asp remains accumulated in the testes in significant amounts until 3 days after the suspension of D-Asp treatment (see below), if it is assumed that in humans D-Asp also remains significantly increased in the testes 3 days after the suspension of D-Asp treatment, we can deduce that in humans as in rats, D-Asp had remained accumulated in significant amounts in the testes and consequently it continued to stimulate testosterone release.

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    So, I need to take 0.25mg of arimidex eod. The liquid dropper is measured at mls. On the bottle it says 1mg/ml so if I read this correctly I take .25mls in the dropper, correct?

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    So, I need to take 0.25mg of arimidex eod. The liquid dropper is measured at mls. On the bottle it says 1mg/ml so if I read this correctly I take .25mls in the dropper, correct?
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