Why Tren? Any better than deca/primo combo with test?

[TheResearcher]

I've been out of the hormone game for almost a decade...just started researching again since I'm going to do my second competition in 4-5 months.

Anyway, stats are...
36
200 pounds 9-10% BF
5'9"
My diet is beyond solid as far as calorie control, carbs, and only 1 cheat meal a week.

Was going to run 600mg test cyp a week along with 200-400mg deca and maybe some primo until I started reading about how great Tren is.

Question is, would tren be much better to supplement with test than deca/primo?

I'm already at a decent bodyfat level, but my waist is still 32-33 inches. Any recommendations on what to run?

[Bonaparte]

Tren is basically a must if you're competing.

[austinite]

Fuk tren.

[Java Man]

Lol. Seems we have a difference of opinion here boys ~

[austinite]

Lol. Seems we have a difference of opinion here boys ~

Not really. I just don't like Tren. It's certainly good for contest prep, just not for me.

[TheResearcher]

Not really. I just don't like Tren. It's certainly good for contest prep, just not for me.

Bad sides? Or just not worth the gains?

[crazy mike]

Bad sides? Or just not worth the gains?

The sides are tough if you've never done Tren. Good for comp for sure but I don't think necessary. It will promote the vascularity more than most all of the compounds but you already know how to achieve that. You need to know how your body reacts to Tren , IMOP before jumping on it pre-contest the first time. IN the old days I was using Winni, loved it (Pharm, Injectable). But Tren is awesome for some. Just going to be your preference knowing what you have experienced in the past decade, without it. IMOP ya gotta try it and then get to know it. ....crazy mike

So no time to experiment pre-contest...IMOP

[OnTheSauce]

Tren is by far my favorite

[songdog]

I have to agree I love tren.But not the people around who piss me off LOL

[crazy mike]

I have to agree I love tren.But not the people around who piss me off LOL

Ha, lol ...I almost got arrested twice, when I was on Tren a few moths ago. Not funny, not good, but true. ...crazy mike

[clarky.]

I like tren but the sides are shit have to say though got just as good results with prop and npp if not better.

[TheResearcher]

The sides are tough if you've never done Tren. Good for comp for sure but I don't think necessary. It will promote the vascularity more than most all of the compounds but you already know how to achieve that. You need to know how your body reacts to Tren , IMOP before jumping on it pre-contest the first time. IN the old days I was using Winni, loved it (Pharm, Injectable). But Tren is awesome for some. Just going to be your preference knowing what you have experienced in the past decade, without it. IMOP ya gotta try it and then get to know it. ....crazy mike

So no time to experiment pre-contest...IMOP

Much appreciated info. Hmm, I've never run winny (mostly because I've never had access to it) but that's a thought too.

I did my last contest 4-5 months ago naturally, and though I was able to get my BF down pretty low, my waist didn't quite respond like the rest of my body. I went to a hormone doc 2-3 months ago and found that my estrogen level was somewhat high so he gave me anastrazole to knock it down which has helped a little bit...but for this next comp, I'd really like to run a cycle which focuses more on vascularity first, then size...vs the other way around.

[AnabolicDoc]

I don't think anything compares to Tren for most ppl, especially with your goals. But I personally don't like the sides - insomnia, sweating, and shortness of breath - which makes me prefer MENT. But the two are markedly different and not really comparable.

[Sociabear]

If test is king.... Tren is ****ing Zues.

I use it for bulking and ore contest. 400 mg a week no matter which I'm doing. I love it. Sides arnt as bad as some make them sound IMO. You won't sleep much sometimes. But if diets right you'll be strong as an ox and it burns the hell out of fat with a good diet.

I dropped 20lbs in 4 weeks doing my contest diet prepping for my beach vacation. Didn't lose a single bit of strength continually got stronger and the fat flew off.


400 test
400 tren
400 eq
( I add in 400 masteron per week in my actual pre contest stack)

[briansvk]

Tren is the best and the most versatile compound... Can be used to bulk, to cut almost whatever you want... Just have to find out how you react and what is the good dose for your goals.. And to contest prep tren is really a must. The way how body utilizes fat when on tren is unique and can not be achieved with another compound...

[austinite]

^ anything can be used to bulk or cut.

[briansvk]

Of course... Everything can be used, but there are more versatile and less versatile compounds... I mean with right nutrition, with tren you can replace almost any compound...

With test and tren you can bulk as good as with deca, d-bol, a-drol... depends on individual preferences, body reactions, nutrition... And you can cut as good as with primo, stanozolol, masteron etc... maybe even better (for me definitively)...

I would like to see somebody cutting on test, deca a Adrol compared to test, tren and mast No way to achieve this even with nutrition from another universe

But yeah, in general you are right, I just wanted to enlighten bright sides of tren, because lots of people here are scared of tren as hell, but there is no reason... it just requires brain to use it...

[fit2bOld]

As a former competitor I like deca and anavar. Tren along with a contest diet. Something might get damaged or someone. Lol

[TheResearcher]

All good info...I may hold off on Tren until after the contest. I do have a slight patience problem when on test...which is manageable, but like fit2bOld mentioned...tren combined with dieting down wouldn't prob be a good mix for me.

[Metalject]

Best steroid on earth for competition. You'll be much harder and tighter with Tren in play and harder and tighter is everything if you're competing. In fact, I'd go as far as to say there's not much that matter more than that if anything at all.