I can't get my liver enzymes down!!!!!!

[gymfu]

Hey guys. Hoping someone here has some helpful info. I seem to have a problem getting my liver enzymes to come down after ending a cycle. This has been a problem with all my cycles but is getting progressively worse with each one.

My last cycle was test and tren .
Blood work showed the following:
At end of cycle: AST 78 and ALT 99
6 weeks after ending the cycle: AST 64 and ALT 99
8 weeks more (14 weeks): AST 60 and ALT 92
Reference range is AST 40 and ALT 44

I'm been taking the following supplements for my liver:
4g vit C x3/day
1600mg NAC x3/day
1g milk thistle x2/day
4 caps liv52 x3/day

Anyone have any experience with this issue?

Thanks

[Ashop]

Trust me on this one. Get on some Synthergine immediately. Ive seen labs improve dramtically numerous time within 30 days.

[BBJT200]

UDCA is used clinically. It increases bile-flow in your liver, cleaning it out.

500mg maintenance dose on cycle, 1000mg/day to repair damage. Works wonders.
Get bulk powder on amazon and cap it yourself, or you'll pay a serious chunk of change for it. Worth it either way, especially with numbers like that

[austinite]

Are those doses split into 3? Or are you taking it 3 times at those doses? 4.8 grams of NAC?

[austinite]

There is nothing that UDCA can do that NAC cant do better. That said, both are great.

[Java Man]

Your issue is different than mine unfortunately gymfu. My lipids were trashed. The thing that concerns me.here is that you said your enzymes are.getting progressively worse with each cycle and stay that way. Maybe you should lay off the sauce for an extended period and see if they don't come down after 6 mos or longer. If not, I would seriously consider not doing it anymore. maybe it's not worth it.

Do you drink or take a lot of acetaminophen (>4g /24hrs)? Anything else that might affect liver enzymes? Oral aas?

[Java Man]

Are those doses split into 3? Or are you taking it 3 times at those doses? 4.8 grams of NAC?

aus, is there a dose at which NAC becomes harmful?

[Java Man]

12g vit c might be excessive to. Linus Pauling advocated high doses of c but it was controversial. I think he has been affirmed since.his death. He won 2 nobels and.was a contemporary peer of Niels Bohr and lived to age 93 so I'm kind of inclined to believe the guy just on principle lol. The point is that he advocated 3.5g. 12 is extreme.

For those of lesser faith:
The Optimal Intake of Vitamin C, Spring/Summer 1997, The Linus Pauling Institute, Oregon State University
Vitamin C, Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion

[Turkish Juicer]

Hey guys. Hoping someone here has some helpful info. I seem to have a problem getting my liver enzymes to come down after ending a cycle. This has been a problem with all my cycles but is getting progressively worse with each one.

My last cycle was test and tren .
Blood work showed the following:
At end of cycle: AST 78 and ALT 99
6 weeks after ending the cycle: AST 64 and ALT 99
8 weeks more (14 weeks): AST 60 and ALT 92
Reference range is AST 40 and ALT 44

I'm been taking the following supplements for my liver:
4g vit C x3/day
1600mg NAC x3/day
1g milk thistle x2/day
4 caps liv52 x3/day

Anyone have any experience with this issue?

Thanks

Besides the fact that Milk Thistle is useless, you may seriously want to consider laying off AAS for a while, since it is quite obvious that your liver is responding to it in an extremely negative manner, in spite of generous amounts of daily NAC and Liv52 intake, which are both proven to work wonders for the liver (especially NAC). Also keep in mind that Tren maybe largely responsible for this condition, as it often is.

On a last note, 12gr of daily Vitamin C intake is a ridiculously high and inarguably wasteful dosage.

[gymfu]

Ok, what I mean by it's getting worse is that after a cycle the numbers are higher and aren't coming down as easily in my usual 4 month off period.

When I started this last test/tren cycle my enzymes were back normal.

[gymfu]

Vit C is large doses is a very controversial matter. I don't think there is anyway its making it worse. I'd rather overkill and under.

[gymfu]

Are those doses split into 3? Or are you taking it 3 times at those doses? 4.8 grams of NAC?

That dose times 3 or 2.

[FONZY007]

That dose times 3 or 2.

Mine where high like that before, I used sustanon and dbol ... It took 6 months, liv52 and water..

[Bonaparte]

Are you using NAC on cycle, or just after?

[gymfu]

Are you using NAC on cycle, or just after?

It was after this cycle. I will be using it all the time now.

What I can't get is why it's not coming down much after being off everything for almost 4 months.

[gymfu]

Trust me on this one. Get on some Synthergine immediately. Ive seen labs improve dramtically numerous time within 30 days.

Thanks. I've ordered some.

[gymfu]

Mine where high like that before, I used sustanon and dbol... It took 6 months, liv52 and water..

Sux, I was supposed to start contest prep next week!

[Armykid93]

UDCA is used clinically. It increases bile-flow in your liver, cleaning it out.

500mg maintenance dose on cycle, 1000mg/day to repair damage. Works wonders.
Get bulk powder on amazon and cap it yourself, or you'll pay a serious chunk of change for it. Worth it either way, especially with numbers like that

Why cap it? Can't you Just take the powder

[gymfu]

Why cap it? Can't you Just take the powder

You can but weighing out 500mg would be difficult.

[gymfu]

Mine where high like that before, I used sustanon and dbol... It took 6 months, liv52 and water..

And I drink 2-3 gallons of water a day.

[Bonaparte]

It was after this cycle. I will be using it all the time now.

What I can't get is why it's not coming down much after being off everything for almost 4 months.

Are you taking a week off of lifting and cardio before each blood test? If not, the results are being falsely elevated by muscle damage.

[gymfu]

Are you taking a week off of lifting and cardio before each blood test? If not, the results are being falsely elevated by muscle damage.

No, I rarely take a whole week off from the gym. How far do you think that could be throwing it off?

Kidney function (BUN only) is slightly over norm. I know creatinine levels rise with intense exercise causing muscle damage.

I was unaware that liver function could be effected.

[gymfu]

Are you taking a week off of lifting and cardio before each blood test? If not, the results are being falsely elevated by muscle damage.

Bonaparte, you think just regular supements and lots of food could be contributing to this?

[OnTheSauce]

No, I rarely take a whole week off from the gym. How far do you think that could be throwing it off?

Kidney function (BUN only) is slightly over norm. I know creatinine levels rise with intense exercise causing muscle damage.

I was unaware that liver function could be effected.

It just throws the level off. Not necessarily saying your liver is functioning properly.

[gymfu]

It just throws the level off. Not necessarily saying your liver is functioning properly.

My liver is functioning properly. AST and ALT are markers indicating the liver is working harder then it should have to.

[OnTheSauce]

Muscle damage raises those levels to give false readings of an over worked liver

[gymfu]

Muscle damage raises those levels to give false readings of an over worked liver

I would love to think that's all it is. I will be seeing my TRT doc Friday, he will draw my blood. I'll take this week off and we will see.

[OnTheSauce]

Mine stays around top of range so I think yours are still raised slightly but not as bad as you think

[tdoe11]

Do you have any liver diseases? Hep or cirrhosis? How often do you drink, and so you take and prescription meds?

[gymfu]

Do you have any liver diseases? Hep or cirrhosis? How often do you drink, and so you take and prescription meds?

No deseases, no drinking, no rx.

[Armykid93]

You can but weighing out 500mg would be difficult.

There's spoons on Amazon that measure out super small amounts like that and they are cheap as hell. I'm getting some asap.