Sust Cycle... Thinking about Adding Another Ester...

[Ism]

Ok i have been doing my first cycle Sust for about 4 weeks now 500mg a week = 1 injection of 250mg twice a week...

I am just now starting to see signs of gains...

I was thinking about adding Deca Durabolin making it

Sustanon & Deca Durabolin in one syringe at twice a week

Basically same injection schedule as my Sust just adding the Deca for a combined 2 ml twice a week 450 mg for about another 8 weeks...

Was just a thought and possible reality

Any thoughts comments or suggestions would be Greatly appreciated

Thank you very much

Mr.Ism

[JWP806]

Ok i have been doing my first cycle Sust for about 4 weeks now 500mg a week = 1 injection of 250mg twice a week...

I am just now starting to see signs of gains...

I was thinking about adding Deca Durabolin making it

Sustanon & Deca Durabolin in one syringe at twice a week

Basically same injection schedule as my Sust just adding the Deca for a combined 2 ml twice a week 450 mg for about another 8 weeks...

Was just a thought and possible reality

Any thoughts comments or suggestions would be Greatly appreciated

Thank you very much

Mr.Ism

Mr. Ism... Stats please (age, height, weight, bf%)

You are starting to see gains, why do you want to throw another compound in? More is not better.

Please refer to dosage in mg NOT ml. ml is essentially meaningless to us unless we know what mg/ml you have.

What is your current cycle? Please lay out dosages for test, AI, hcg, planned pct.

Are you pinning sust only 1x per week?

[Ism]

ok i m 30 years

about 5'7

160pds

bf maybe between 12-10 percent

so far my dosages are 250mg twice a week of sustanon = 500 mg a week

So if i do it would it would be Sust 250 mg & Deca 200 mg twice a week would equal a combined 900 mg a week (450 mg twice a week)

Was just thinking out loud and wanted to seek some advice before I did anything stupid since technically i am still on my first cycle...

[JWP806]

You didn't include you AI dosage or your duration of the cycle. What do you have planned for PCT?

[Ism]

Ok I was taking 1 mg of Arimidex once a day but was told on this forum that that was to much and to just split the pill and take the half EOD

And I have Nolvadex on Standby after cycle is over for PCT...

For this Sust Cycle I was originally planning on doing a 10 week cycle but decided to do a 12 week cycle.

so far it has only been 4 weeks this week... And I was thinking about adding the 200mg twice a week of deca to my Sust Cycle...

Just wanted to get some advice & guidance before I made any rash moves.

Nothing like advice from those more Experienced then you are.

Any comments questions or concerns are deeply appreciated

[JWP806]

Glad to hear that you aren't set on running deca and that you are open to suggestions - many that post here are not.

I wouldn't run deca this time if it were me. I know it's tempting if you have it on hand but I would let your first cycle play out of just straight test and if all goes well, thrown in Deca on your next cycle. The reason for this is you need to see how your body responds to just test. If you had any sides, you'll know right away it was the test.

Also, it takes deca a long time to build up in your system and you want to stop running it two weeks prior to when you stop test. That would mean you would have about 6 weeks of deca before you would need to quit to give yourself 2 extra weeks of just test prior to the two weeks between your last injection and pct.

I'd stay at 500mg sust for the 12 week cycle and throw the deca in on your next go around. If you are making good gains, no need to add anything IMO.

You'll want to run nolva/clomid for PCT.

.5mg ED of adex is good.

[Gaspaco]

No need for secondary compound in first cycle!

Add clomid to your nolva for PCT.

[Ism]

Ok I'll stick with the Sust cycle this go around...

Next one I'll try the Sust & Deca combo or is there a better combo you guys would recommend???

Oh as far as pct did I say nolva... Oops nolva is the other Ai

But yeah I have Clomid on deck & ready to go.

Thank you guys you are a great help

[Java Man]

Glad to hear that you aren't set on running deca and that you are open to suggestions - many that post here are not.

I wouldn't run deca this time if it were me. I know it's tempting if you have it on hand but I would let your first cycle play out of just straight test and if all goes well, thrown in Deca on your next cycle. The reason for this is you need to see how your body responds to just test. If you had any sides, you'll know right away it was the test.

Also, it takes deca a long time to build up in your system and you want to stop running it two weeks prior to when you stop test. That would mean you would have about 6 weeks of deca before you would need to quit to give yourself 2 extra weeks of just test prior to the two weeks between your last injection and pct.

I'd stay at 500mg sust for the 12 week cycle and throw the deca in on your next go around. If you are making good gains, no need to add anything IMO.

You'll want to run nolva/clomid for PCT.

.5mg ED of adex is good.

RE the bold up top - so true.

Others would know more about this than me, since I have not yet run deca yet but from everything I have read or been told by friends who ran it over the years (watched them do it is more the reality), 400mg - 600mg/wk seems to be the optimal dose. 200mg is too low for what we're using it for IMO. I have no direct personal experience with deca though so if I am wrong JWP or someone else with personal experience using deca who's not a beginner please correct me since I plan to add it to my next run.

[Gaspaco]

Ok I'll stick with the Sust cycle this go around...

Next one I'll try the Sust & Deca combo or is there a better combo you guys would recommend???

Oh as far as pct did I say nolva... Oops nolva is the other Ai

But yeah I have Clomid on deck & ready to go.

Thank you guys you are a great help

If you will like the results of test only, run it again. You don't need to add anything or raise the dosage until you stop growing.

Nolva is TAMOXIFEN and its not an AI it is a SERM!

[Ism]

No but I was talking about taking 200mg twice a week which would equal 400 mg a week.

In conjuction with the Sust that would be

Sust 250mg twice a week = 500mg
Deca 200mg twice a week = 400mg

Sust & Deca = 900mg weekly

But that is gonna be for next cycle

Maybe even kick start 2nd cycle with dbol also... More research needs to be done first.

Any suggestions for the Sust & Deca and maybe dbol combination for 2nd cycle anyone?

[Java Man]

If you will like the results of test only, run it again. You don't need to add anything or raise the dosage until you stop growing.

Nolva is TAMOXIFEN and its not an AI it is a SERM!

Agree. One can only grow so much in a single cycle... you won't add 30lbs from the test and another 30lbs from the deca in one cycle That would be nice but no...

[Ism]

Lol... Ok I totally understand the logic in that one Java Man

Thank you for the help and guidance everyone

Great help

[Ism]

Gaspaco dont they use Nolva to keep Estrogen Levels in check?

And that's why it's used as a Ai?

Because I was under the impression for my Ai I had a choice between Arimidex or Nolva... I went with Arimidex because it was abit safer and more steady I guess if my wordplay can be used in such a way.

[Java Man]

No but I was talking about taking 200mg twice a week which would equal 400 mg a week.

In conjuction with the Sust that would be

Sust 250mg twice a week = 500mg
Deca 200mg twice a week = 400mg

Sust & Deca = 900mg weekly

But that is gonna be for next cycle

Maybe even kick start 2nd cycle with dbol also... More research needs to be done first.

Any suggestions for the Sust & Deca and maybe dbol combination for 2nd cycle anyone?

I saw that after I posted. Sorry. I kick start my cycles with an oral, last time dbol. I run oral for 4 weeks at the beginning of the cycle since I always use long esters. Works great for me.

[Gaspaco]

Gaspaco dont they use Nolva to keep Estrogen Levels in check?

And that's why it's used a a Ai?

Because I was under the impression for my Ai I had a choice between Arimidex or Nolva... I went with Arimidex because it was abit safer and more steady I guess if my wordplay can be used in such a way.

Some people do use nolva during cycle but NOLVA and CLOMID are SERMS and should be taken only for PCT and adex or aromasin are AI taken to combat estrogen lvls during cycle.

[Java Man]

Lol... Ok I totally understand the logic in that one Java Man

Thank you for the help and guidance everyone

Great help