Gyno Questions and Concerns

**Brazensol** · 06-02-2013, 03:16 PM

For future reference please describe to me what "sensitive nipples" actually are. Also, I have what you could call puffy nipples that developed at puberty. And a few times during early puberty I actually had minor discharge, at least a few times, from both nipples. Does this make me more susceptible to gyno when I finally get around to running a cycle?

I am currently on trt running 128mgs/week with no AI's. I have had no gyno related problems to date and my estrogen levels (sensitive) always come back fine.

**dude700** · 06-02-2013, 03:43 PM

When I first started to get gyno symptoms, it would feel sore to the touch, and was localized to directly below each of my nipples. Additionally, there were lumps directly underneath each nipple as well. Last year, I noticed bilateral nipple discharge (a very miniscule amount of clear fluid), and to this day, if I squeeze them, the clear fluid still comes out.

**Bio-Active** · 06-02-2013, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Brazensol

For future reference please describe to me what "sensitive nipples" actually are. Also, I have what you could call puffy nipples that developed at puberty. And a few times during early puberty I actually had minor discharge, at least a few times, from both nipples. Does this make me more susceptible to gyno when I finally get around to running a cycle?

I am currently on trt running 128mgs/week with no AI's. I have had no gyno related problems to date and my estrogen levels (sensitive) always come back fine.

Make sure you are doing labs if you cycle and continue to keep E in check by administering an AI. Sensitive can be tingling and or sore, Tender to the touch

**AnabolicDoc** · 06-02-2013, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Brazensol

For future reference please describe to me what "sensitive nipples" actually are.

Discomfort that usually increases with touch or even the presence of clothing on top.

Originally Posted by Brazensol

Also, I have what you could call puffy nipples that developed at puberty. And a few times during early puberty I actually had minor discharge, at least a few times, from both nipples.

Did you see a doctor at that time? What did the doctor say?

Originally Posted by Brazensol

Does this make me more susceptible to gyno when I finally get around to running a cycle?

Sounds like you may be prone to gyno. But there are options to minimize your chances of developing gyno. Slowly try increasing doses of test and see how it goes. And/or you can use low dose tamox (10mg) or ralox during cycles for prophylaxis. You could also use proviron for gyno prevention but it will have varying degrees of effectiveness (as individual results seem to vary). Another option, which I'm sure I'll get flamed for, is to cycle with TRT and another compound that doesn't aromatize such as mast, 1-test cyp (dihydroboldenone), primo, winstrol , or anavar (might be best choice for you). I would've included EQ but that's just asking for trouble here :-). Low dose tren (100-200mg per week) is another option, but I don't see that getting too much support for a first cycle.

**kelkel** · 06-02-2013, 05:32 PM

If you're dialed in on your TRT and choose to run a cycle the you must adjust your AI dose accordingly. If you are prone to gyno then run low dose Nolva along with the AI.

**crazy mike** · 06-02-2013, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

If you're dialed in on your TRT and choose to run a cycle the you must adjust your AI dose accordingly. If you are prone to gyno then run low dose Nolva along with the AI.

Crazy mike here, thanks for telling him the simple way and he'll need to say on top of the BW as I am. The Nolva and the Ai mix is helping me a lot, OP so I can say that's good advice. ...crazy mike

**Brazensol** · 06-02-2013, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

If you're dialed in on your TRT and choose to run a cycle the you must adjust your AI dose accordingly. If you are prone to gyno then run low dose Nolva along with the AI.

TRT seems to be dialed in well. I test in the top 20% range consistently for ~6 months now and E2 runs mid-range with no AI being used. Hopefully that indicates I am not going to be overly sensitive to gyno issues.

**AnabolicDoc** · 06-05-2013, 06:35 AM

It sounds like you haven't had gyno issues so far bc your E2 has stayed low. That may very well change when they start to escalate from AAS use. While it has it's drawbacks, there are some benefits to low dose nolva on cycle. Personally, the idea of gyno and potentially secreting milk from a man's nipple is just so nauseating to me, that I would be willing to take all measures to prevent the possibility of developing it if need be. If you are ok with developing it and then treating it more aggressively, then you can be more laid back in your initial prophylaxis.

**Brazensol** · 06-05-2013, 08:27 AM

I'd rather stay ahead of it than treat after the fact. Do you think aromasin would be enough to keep it in check? If yes, what is the standard protocol?

**AnabolicDoc** · 06-05-2013, 11:05 AM

I can't say for sure if the aromasin will be enough. Your dose will depend on your cycle. With a typical beginner cycle of test 500 per wk, you're better off erring on the higher side and taking 10-12.5mg per day. But taking tamoxifen or raloxifene throughout the cycle isn't a bad idea. Or if you prefer some of the other suggestions I listed previously.

**Brazensol** · 06-05-2013, 12:19 PM

Will definately be using test for the first cycle. Possibly with anavar if I can get it. I've still got 6%+ body fat to lose before I can cycle anyway but I'm well on the way. Really looking forward to it. Thanks for the other suggestions.

**Brazensol** · 06-05-2013, 12:26 PM

One more question if I may. Should the 500 mgs/week of test be broke up into multiple days are all in one injection? If daily could I just do subq @ 70 mgs/day or does it have to be IM? I am on trt and already inject subq twice a week so it wouldn't bother me to inject subq daily or every other day. I haven't done IM yet but will if I have to (or let the wife do it for me).

**AnabolicDoc** · 06-05-2013, 02:41 PM

I think most ppl would just do 250mg 2x per week IM.

How is it that you're on 128mg per week? Was that a typo?

**Brazensol** · 06-05-2013, 05:15 PM

No typo. I'm on trt and that is that amount that keeps me in the top 15% of range on my labs.

**AnabolicDoc** · 06-07-2013, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Brazensol

No typo. I'm on trt and that is that amount that keeps me in the top 15% of range on my labs.

You must use an insulin syringe/needle to administer subq 2 to 3 times per week, right?How else would you measure 128mg or a fraction of that?

**AnabolicDoc** · 06-07-2013, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by dude700

When I first started to get gyno symptoms, it would feel sore to the touch, and was localized to directly below each of my nipples. Additionally, there were lumps directly underneath each nipple as well. Last year, I noticed bilateral nipple discharge (a very miniscule amount of clear fluid), and to this day, if I squeeze them, the clear fluid still comes out.

Not sure how I missed this, but if fluid comes out of your nippples when squeezed then please have it at least checked by a doctor and stop squeezing them :-)