C-Bino's Gyno Reversal, Yah or Nay?

**Keep_It_Moving** · 06-01-2013, 12:50 PM

Hi Guys,
Thanks for reading my post...

So I'm debating on a few different ideas on how to get rid of some minor gyno. The symptoms have included; tenderness, sensitive nipples, puffy nipples, fat deposits in the lower and inner region of chest, along with very small lumps under the nipple (right pec is worse than the left).

My goal is to reduce the size of the lump as much as possible and destroy whatever gland development has occurred. I will be implementing a strict diet and increase my cardio immensely, so basically I'm going on a cutting phase!

I've been taking Tamoxifen 40mg/day for quite some time now (3 weeks) and I'm approaching the third month from my first initial notation of the gyno (April 1st was when it struck). So, I'm running out of time to catch this as I hear anything past 1 year and it's in there for good. Only the knife will remove it.

Here are a few treatments plans that I'm debating and I would like to hear from people who have experience reversing gyno.

Treatment 1:
Continue Tamoixfen 40mg/day for 1 -2 months then taper down

Treatment 2:
Continue Tamoixfen 20mg/day (taken in the a.m.) while implementing C-Bino's Gyno Reversal which is the letro (taken in the p.m.) taper up, stay there for 3-4 weeks, then taper down slowly (letro purchased from RUI) and then tamoxifen to avoid letro rebound at 40/20/20/10/10

C-Bino letro Protocol:
Day 1 .5mg letro
Day 2 1.0mg letro
Day 3 1.5mg letro
Day 4 2.0mg letro
Day 5 2.5mg letro

Hold at 2.5mg letro for 2-4 weeks, or once lump is gone, then stay an additional 5 days followed by a slow taper...

Day 1 2.5mg letro
Day 2 2.0mg letro
Day 3 2.0mg letro
Day 4 1.5mg letro
Day 5 1.5mg letro
Day 6 1.0mg letro
Day 7 1.0mg letro
Day 8 .5mg letro
Day 9 .5mg letro
Day 10 .25mg letro
Day 11 .25mg letro w/20mg Tamoxifen, start Tamoxifen rebound protocol.

Treatment 3:
Drop Tamoxifen
Start Raloxifen (from RUI) 60mg/day for 1-3 months

Thanks for all that respond....
If you've had experience and or success with reversals, please chime in...

**Keep_It_Moving** · 06-01-2013, 04:09 PM

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**JWP806** · 06-01-2013, 05:05 PM

I've had success using the second method. I know others who have had success as well. I am currently running treatment 3 but I plan on sort of combining #2 and #3 and running the letro and also running ralox at 60mg.

I'm currently running Ralox and have been on for about a week - nothing really to report yet. I feel like I have a bit of shrinkage in the nipple but it could just be that I upped my AI and prami on top of starting ralox. I am planning to also run some letro (just ordered 2 days ago) and run method #2 and using both nolva and ralox until it's gone. I'm most likely really overdoing it but I'm not going to let this shit progress any further.

Funny thing is, I've been running adex, prami and nolva (for lipids) ED throughout this blast and still somehow managed to have this flair up.

What are you leaning toward? Have you had gyno in the past?

**Keep_It_Moving** · 06-01-2013, 05:17 PM

JWP-
Thanks for responding, I think I'm leaning towards the same as you. I want to lower my estrogen and kill off this gyno but still have solid protection with a serm. It seems that the letro/ ralo combo would be sufficient.

I have a mild case of gyno. puffy nipples, small lumps, slight increase in fatty tissue under pec and in center area.

I'm at the point where I'm willing to do anything to get rid of it...
I'm off cycle by the way

Originally Posted by JWP806

I've had success using the second method. I know others who have had success as well. I am currently running treatment 3 but I plan on sort of combining #2 and #3 and running the letro and also running ralox at 60mg.

I'm currently running Ralox and have been on for about a week - nothing really to report yet. I feel like I have a bit of shrinkage in the nipple but it could just be that I upped my AI and prami on top of starting ralox. I am planning to also run some letro (just ordered 2 days ago) and run method #2 and using both nolva and ralox until it's gone. I'm most likely really overdoing it but I'm not going to let this shit progress any further.

Funny thing is, I've been running adex, prami and nolva (for lipids) ED throughout this blast and still somehow managed to have this flair up.

What are you leaning toward? Have you had gyno in the past?

**Keep_It_Moving** · 06-02-2013, 08:56 AM

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**jimmyinkedup** · 06-02-2013, 10:19 AM

Id recommend raloxifene to treat and if an ai like exemestane to control estrogen levels. If off cycle and blood work indicates estrogen is ok but gyno still present - then just raloxifene. 60-80mg/day. 60 worked well for me.

**Keep_It_Moving** · 06-02-2013, 11:33 AM

Thank you for your advice. How long did you run the Raloxifene for?

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

Id recommend raloxifene to treat and if an ai like exemestane to control estrogen levels. If off cycle and blood work indicates estrogen is ok but gyno still present - then just raloxifene. 60-80mg/day. 60 worked well for me.

**Freestyle Child** · 06-02-2013, 01:53 PM

Interesting topic, going to be following this conversation

**Keep_It_Moving** · 06-02-2013, 02:01 PM

I would love to hear if more people have had experience with anything listed above?

**JWP806** · 06-02-2013, 02:04 PM

Jimmy is right, the Ralox and an AI should suffice based on the information I have read (much of it coming from Jimmy). My plan is a bit over the top and probably unnecessary but that's just how I am.

**JWP806** · 06-02-2013, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Keep_It_Moving

I would love to hear if more people have had experience with anything listed above?

Have you tried a search or gone through c-byno's thread? Lots of success stories there and other opinions if I remember correctly.

**austinite** · 06-02-2013, 02:15 PM

In all honesty, I can really appreciate your level of research. But I have to point out a couple things here...

You've been researching for a very long time, in most cases, that is perfect, but in this case, it's time to make a decision. You're going to trip over your tits if you don't make a call. Although I recommended Ralox, at this stage I advise you to choose a protocol and go with it before you require surgery.

You've been given actual head-to-head studies, too. And my hunch is that you have not taken the time to read it, because you keep asking questions that are answered in there. Please don't take this the wrong way, you know I've been supportive of your research, but don't forget that time is of the essence here.

Make a decision. Make it yesterday.

**Keep_It_Moving** · 06-02-2013, 06:22 PM

Thank you Austinite. I'm going to switch over to Raloxifene and possibly letro (depending on where my e levels are)
I appreciate your help on this forum and the other.

Originally Posted by austinite

In all honesty, I can really appreciate your level of research. But I have to point out a couple things here...

You've been researching for a very long time, in most cases, that is perfect, but in this case, it's time to make a decision. You're going to trip over your tits if you don't make a call. Although I recommended Ralox, at this stage I advise you to choose a protocol and go with it before you require surgery.

You've been given actual head-to-head studies, too. And my hunch is that you have not taken the time to read it, because you keep asking questions that are answered in there. Please don't take this the wrong way, you know I've been supportive of your research, but don't forget that time is of the essence here.

Make a decision. Make it yesterday.

**austinite** · 06-02-2013, 07:53 PM

Anytime brother. I really hope you succeed and everything turns out great for you.

**Keep_It_Moving** · 06-02-2013, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Anytime brother. I really hope you succeed and everything turns out great for you.

Thank you. I hope so as well...
This is my last chance before going under the knife, which I will wait exactly 1 year before doing, so April of 2014.....
I hear after 1 year if nothing changes then the gyno has set in, is this correct? So anything prior to this would still be pliable, sort to speak...?