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    Tren A stacked with NPP?

    What do you all think of stacking Tren a with NPP for a 6 to 8 wk cycle.

    300mg/wk of Test prop.(have been on TRT for a while)
    150mg/ml EOD of Tren A
    150mg/ml EOD of NPP
    1mg of Arimidex EOD
    200mg daly of B6 to counter progestin
    And have caber on hand in case

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    Your cycle history says "Some", can you be more specific please?
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    This will be y forth cycle......first three have been mild just Test Cyp 200-400mg/wk with amino blends as supplements.

    I am now trying to gain some muscle mass and reduce bf to 10%.
    Now I am 208lbs 5'7" 14% bf, I have a long history of injuries due to service related duties while in the US Air Force knee surgeries at 20 combined, 2 lumbar surgeries, both shoulder reconstructions and both hips surfaced.

    So with added muscle mass I will gain more stability in the knees and lumbar spine, and with the added NPP hope to have less joint pain.....well relative to what pain I will always have.

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    Do you mind posting a picture? Im your height and curious what you look like at 200lbs and 14% bf. Also how old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ante2212 View Post
    This will be y forth cycle......first three have been mild just Test Cyp 200-400mg/wk with amino blends as supplements.

    I am now trying to gain some muscle mass and reduce bf to 10%.
    Now I am 208lbs 5'7" 14% bf, I have a long history of injuries due to service related duties while in the US Air Force knee surgeries at 20 combined, 2 lumbar surgeries, both shoulder reconstructions and both hips surfaced.

    So with added muscle mass I will gain more stability in the knees and lumbar spine, and with the added NPP hope to have less joint pain.....well relative to what pain I will always have.
    Sorry to be the one to give you bad news bro, but added muscle mass won't do shit for your knees!! only make them worse.

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    I'm 41 Rv8 don't have pic but will post one latter for u.....and depends what muscle u concentrate on, it will help stabilize the knee joint......my doctor has a subject that has done this for over 4 years.......working the right muscle group has given me the added stability. And delay the reconstruction of all 4 ligaments in both my knees, he wil be publishing the results in the medical journal this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ante2212 View Post
    I'm 41 Rv8 don't have pic but will post one latter for u.....and depends what muscle u concentrate on, it will help stabilize the knee joint......my doctor has a subject that has done this for over 4 years.......working the right muscle group has given me the added stability. And delay the reconstruction of all 4 ligaments in both my knees, he wil be publishing the results in the medical journal this year.
    If you get a chance that would be cool. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ante2212 View Post
    I'm 41 Rv8 don't have pic but will post one latter for u.....and depends what muscle u concentrate on, it will help stabilize the knee joint......my doctor has a subject that has done this for over 4 years.......working the right muscle group has given me the added stability. And delay the reconstruction of all 4 ligaments in both my knees, he wil be publishing the results in the medical journal this year.
    With that many problems u should consider losing some muscle mass and maybe a little more fat and that will take off more pressure on your dilapidated joints. Whats more important than quality of life? imo nothing, instead of trying to work some "special" muscles and gain weight. Personally I think u know I'm right but vanity will get the best of you. I bet if you where 60 you would have a whole different approach. I feel you man, being 40 myself u still want to be the best muscularity you can be....good luck.

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    Not even close bro......this doctor has given me life again, before I started his rehab program I could not do much other than walk my right knee has 30degre of rotation,45 degrees of inferior lateral movement and 60 degrees of posterior lateral movement, and left knee has almost same numbers, so for me is not vanity is simple quality of life

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    Targeting the teardrops and the outer/lateral hamstring has created a pocket where the joint is encapsulated and protected from the problems that I have with the 4 ligaments

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    Wouldn't NPP and Tren be super high on the progesterone? I don't normally come across those ran together.

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    They are very prone to elevate the progesterone, I have done Tren a before and never had any sides how ever to make sure that it stays in check I will be adding caber along with B6 to control the progesterone plus will be doing blood work monthly to make sure all hormones are in check

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    I asked about this same stack last year and everyone advised me against running 2 17nor together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flacco View Post
    I asked about this same stack last year and everyone advised me against running 2 17nor together.
    Yeah? Two 17nors?

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    What are 17nors?

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    Haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flacco View Post
    I asked about this same stack last year and everyone advised me against running 2 17nor together.
    2 19-nor is what you mean, and there is nothing wrong with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick4588 View Post
    Yeah? Two 17nors?
    woops my fault. i'm on a phone hiking n typing right now

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    Given your goals and comments, I would recommend you remove the tren altogether and use just the NPP, your dose is good and you've never ran a 19nor? Your going to get some good results with that. You have a diet worked out? Remember diet, diet, diet, diet........número uno! Without the proper diet your wasting your time.

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    Gymfu I have done Tren a in the past with good results and low dose 50mg/EOD diet sample is as follow

    Meal 1:
    1/2 Cup Rolled Oats
    1/2 Banana
    2 Egg Yolks
    6 Egg Whites
    Calories Carbs Protein Fat
    407 39g 37g 13g
    Meal 2:
    1 Cup Plain, Nonfat Yogurt
    1 Cup Nonfat Cottage Cheese
    1 Cup Red Grapes
    2 Tsp Flax Oil
    Calories Carbs Protein Fat
    450 41g 40g 14g
    Meal 3:
    3 Cups Spinach Leaves
    2 Strips Turkey Bacon
    1/2 Cup Black Beans
    1/2 Cup Mushrooms
    1 Cup Chopped Carrots
    3oz Grilled Chicken
    Balsamic Vinegar With Italian Seasoning
    Calories Carbs Protein Fat
    347 38g 31g 9g
    Meal 4:
    2 Apples
    1oz Walnuts
    1 1/2 Scoops Protein Powder
    Calories Carbs Protein Fat
    435 42g 34g 14g
    Meal 5:
    3oz Grilled Salmon
    1/2 Cup Brown Rice
    2 Cups Steamed Swiss Chard
    Calories Carbs Protein Fat
    416 50g 24g 13g
    Meal 6:
    1 Cup Nonfat Cottage Cheese
    1oz Toasted Almonds
    1/3 Cup Cherry Tomatoes
    1/3 Cup Basil Leaves
    1/3 Cup Balsamic Vinegar
    Calories Carbs Protein Fat
    357 19g 34g 14g
    I sub chicken with salmon,tuna,bass,Mahi Mahi or lean beef(filet mignonette)

    So if u have any comments gym flu please let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ante2212
    I'm 41 Rv8 don't have pic but will post one latter for u.....and depends what muscle u concentrate on, it will help stabilize the knee joint......my doctor has a subject that has done this for over 4 years.......working the right muscle group has given me the added stability. And delay the reconstruction of all 4 ligaments in both my knees, he wil be publishing the results in the medical journal this year.
    Get him to post your tren a and NPP cycle in the paper too lol.... Btw I love tren and NPP.... Id throw in a little mast and 200mg test

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ante2212 View Post
    Gymfu I have done Tren a in the past with good results and low dose 50mg/EOD diet sample is as follow

    Meal 1:
    1/2 Cup Rolled Oats
    1/2 Banana
    2 Egg Yolks
    6 Egg Whites
    Calories Carbs Protein Fat
    407 39g 37g 13g
    Meal 2:
    1 Cup Plain, Nonfat Yogurt
    1 Cup Nonfat Cottage Cheese
    1 Cup Red Grapes
    2 Tsp Flax Oil
    Calories Carbs Protein Fat
    450 41g 40g 14g
    Meal 3:
    3 Cups Spinach Leaves
    2 Strips Turkey Bacon
    1/2 Cup Black Beans
    1/2 Cup Mushrooms
    1 Cup Chopped Carrots
    3oz Grilled Chicken
    Balsamic Vinegar With Italian Seasoning
    Calories Carbs Protein Fat
    347 38g 31g 9g
    Meal 4:
    2 Apples
    1oz Walnuts
    1 1/2 Scoops Protein Powder
    Calories Carbs Protein Fat
    435 42g 34g 14g
    Meal 5:
    3oz Grilled Salmon
    1/2 Cup Brown Rice
    2 Cups Steamed Swiss Chard
    Calories Carbs Protein Fat
    416 50g 24g 13g
    Meal 6:
    1 Cup Nonfat Cottage Cheese
    1oz Toasted Almonds
    1/3 Cup Cherry Tomatoes
    1/3 Cup Basil Leaves
    1/3 Cup Balsamic Vinegar
    Calories Carbs Protein Fat
    357 19g 34g 14g
    I sub chicken with salmon,tuna,bass,Mahi Mahi or lean beef(filet mignonette)

    So if u have any comments gym flu please let me know.

    That's not bad, I'm not a fan of all the cottage cheese and yogurt. I'd say if your bulking sub in some more red meat. If your cutting I'd say you need to drop some of that fruit.

    If your going with the tren and NNP the diet as is should lean you out some while making minimal muscle gains (at least this has been my experience, I'm just guessing here)

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    Quote Originally Posted by human project View Post
    Get him to post your tren a and NPP cycle in the paper too lol.... Btw I love tren and NPP.... Id throw in a little mast and 200mg test
    I would not advise adding anything else, he's already at about 1.4g/week. This is only his 4th cycle.

    Although masteron would be the final touch

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    Gymfu....seems like u are a Arnold fan........will be taking some pictures with him at several event that we will be at from Thursday to Monday so I will post them as soon as I get them....will have the chance for him to autograph some pictures and a magazine from what back other day.

    Also thanks for all the input, I will do half cycle and sub with extra meat and the second half with take away fruit and some other stuff to lean out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ante2212 View Post
    Gymfu....seems like u are a Arnold fan........will be taking some pictures with him at several event that we will be at from Thursday to Monday so I will post them as soon as I get them....will have the chance for him to autograph some pictures and a magazine from what back other day.

    Also thanks for all the input, I will do half cycle and sub with extra meat and the second half with take away fruit and some other stuff to lean out
    Sweet, let us know how it goes. It's always good to see how these cycles turn out for people. Most don't leave feed back.

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