Noob on clen

[brentspatriots]

So I've aways been a pretty thin guy growing up. Could eat whatever I wanted without worrying about gaining a lb. But like everyone warned me my metabolism came to a screeching halt and im a good 20 lbs overweight now. Im 6' 220 lbs. Id actually like to be under 200 if possible. Now i've been in the army for about 6 years so that helped keep my weight down, but recently moved positions to a new low key office job and the weight is coming rapidly.

So I got clenbuterol from a friend at work. Irresponsibly I took this stuff without researching. He said take for 2 weeks on then 1 week off until all 80 pills were gone. I started with 1 pill a day. (20mcg pills)

I took 1 pill a day for a week...worked out cardio every day, noticed nothing so quit. Took a week off, then decided id try them again for a week. Nothing. Took a week off and then a week on again. Obviusly totally butchering the cycle. Now im fed up with the weight gain so im kicking myself in the ass to take the remainder of the pills properly and get more and treat them the way they should be treated.

So I've been taking 1 in the morning and 1 after lunch when I do take these pills...I want to start my "real" cycle today but Im guessing after reading up on the subject that 2 pills a day wont help me. My side affects are minimal as is. I get shaky hands thats about it. So my question is:

With the remaining 40 or so pills how should I be kicking the dosage up? I realize that my body reaction is key, but if my body is reacting well should I be doing:

2 at breakfast, 2 at 10am, 2 at lunch? seems like a lot of pills.
But is this what I should be working up to?

Any help and advice would be much appreciated. I have also decided to keep my daily caloric intake to 2500. My cardio burns about 400 calories per day and I do minimal weight lifting 3 times a week of very light weight and high reps. Thanks guys. Any advice you guys have on shredding weight im all ears!

[ScotchGuard02]

Clen is powerful stuff so you need to start slow. I'd start at 40mg a day and increase by 20mg every otherday until you're shaking quite a bit. That should be between 120mg to 140mg a day. Stay there until the 2 weeks are up. Then take 2 weeks off. Start up again at 60mg a day to 80mg a day and do the same thing for 2 weeks, etc. The MOST important thing about taking clen is your diet. If you're eating crappy and is expecting clen to take off weight it isn't going to work. It takes discipline to diet and clen you weight off. Good luck.

[brentspatriots]

thats a great reply, cheers. Ya im only doing 40 a day now and I get tiny jitters. I think i'll take 40 tomorrow morning and see how that treats me, then 40 again at lunch.

My diet is the worst. I love greasy fatty foods too much and eat until im sick each dinner lol. Me and the wife have started to map out our diet. Just for example today I had:

raisin bran cerial, 3X3 coffee for breakfast.

soup, plain salad with a little italian dressing, celery, a little bread, 2 pepperoni sticks, an ice cappuccino for lunch

2 peperroni sticks and an apple for after work snack,

and chicken and rice for dinner now. thats with 40 mcg clen throughout the day a light weight workout and 470 calorie burn elliptical.

Am I missing the idea still? Even with that meal plan, I am not satisfied at all after meals. I know there is still some bad stuff in that diet, but Im trying not to shock myself with a culture change right off the bat.

[MajorPectorial]

Ypu can eat more. And more often. Just eat right.
My favs for ease are.

(Frozen)
green beans
mixed small veg
"tub of this is 3-4 mins microwave"
***This is my base carb section***
add brown rice if u like


(fresh)
chicken breast
turkey breast slices
white fish(also frozen, 3mins m/wave)
Lean steak (i eat blue ;-) )
***these are my protein sources**

note: i will usually once a week have a re feed day. Usually mid week as i do two split heavy one hour (or close) sessions. 5*Days a week mon-fri.

But. This us just an example. You have to find what works for you. And stick with it. No matter what. We are only limited by our own decisions and determination. You CAN do it. You just have to decide you WILL do it.

Never TRY, only ever DO. . GOOD LUCK!!!!! Think how great you are gunna look mate. N hold on to it;-)

[Back In Black]

You are missing the point OP. clen is not a wonder drug that will make up for a poor diet. Unless you have a basic understanding of diet and how to lose weight for yourself you shouldn't be touching clen. It is a strong compound, are you aware of the potential side effects? 40mcg is not enough to have a thermic effect anyway.

You will be hungry on a cut. There's no stopping that really, you aren't giving your body as much as it needs to maintain its weight. Get used to it and eat as much broccoli, spinach, celery as you want. Pepperoni sticks? Really?

Do you lift?

[brentspatriots]

You are missing the point OP. clen is not a wonder drug that will make up for a poor diet. Unless you have a basic understanding of diet and how to lose weight for yourself you shouldn't be touching clen. It is a strong compound, are you aware of the potential side effects? 40mcg is not enough to have a thermic effect anyway.

You will be hungry on a cut. There's no stopping that really, you aren't giving your body as much as it needs to maintain its weight. Get used to it and eat as much broccoli, spinach, celery as you want. Pepperoni sticks? Really?

Do you lift?

hahaha, ya pepperoni sticks are great!!! Its something that tastes decent and can hold me over until my main meal. lol. I dont lift much, Im not big on blowing up muscles, not really into the schene. Just want to lose the extra weight ive gained. The last thing I want to do is change my life. I enjoy eating out, or having a BBQ or eating fast food once in a while, im not looking to eat like a bird for the rest of my life. But I realize its necessary to do so to get on track with a diet.

I only want to lift to get the appropriate strength to burn calories faster. If that makes sense...I dont want to get more muscle, i want that beach body i used to have years ago before my metabolism hit a wall.

And I realize clen isnt a miracle drug, but I figure that cutting down my calories to 2500 a day with decent food and light work outs with light weights in the morning and a cardio at night along with the clen should make me lose quite a bit of weight pretty fast, no?

Like I said, ive never been into the diet, workout, lifting schene...but i realize now I cant just do nothing anymore and keep fit. Im gonna have to work at it with my age. On another note, I took 2 X 20mcg pills today at 9:30 am and 2 more at 3:00pm. Gonna do a half hour cardio now. Hoping im on the right track!

I've also just quit smoking so thats another obstacle I have to hurdle with the metabolism hit. fml


Gotta love pepperoni sticks tho lmao

[brentspatriots]

Ypu can eat more. And more often. Just eat right.
My favs for ease are.

(Frozen)
green beans
mixed small veg
"tub of this is 3-4 mins microwave"
***This is my base carb section***
add brown rice if u like


(fresh)
chicken breast
turkey breast slices
white fish(also frozen, 3mins m/wave)
Lean steak (i eat blue ;-) )
***these are my protein sources**

note: i will usually once a week have a re feed day. Usually mid week as i do two split heavy one hour (or close) sessions. 5*Days a week mon-fri.

But. This us just an example. You have to find what works for you. And stick with it. No matter what. We are only limited by our own decisions and determination. You CAN do it. You just have to decide you WILL do it.

Never TRY, only ever DO. . GOOD LUCK!!!!! Think how great you are gunna look mate. N hold on to it;-)

Thanks for the help boss, I know what your saying, im my own worst enemy when it comes to sticking it out. Just have too many bad habits... But Im tired of looking and feeling crappy, time to fix this mess ive made lol. The meal plan you laid out looks like somehting that would work....unfortunately I havent had more than 3 vegetables my entire life lol. Just cant eat veggies, unless its celery, or potatoes....or corn on the cob... mixed frozen veggies would legit make me dry heave and I wouldnt be able to get it down, I know that can cause big problems for me...

today i had raisin bran cereal for breakfast, and a chicken shwarma for lunch..(not sure how great of a lunch that was for me but I was swamped today and had to eat on the fly) Not sure about dinner yet. Dieting sucks! Id rather work out like a freak and eat anything I want lol, not sure it works that way tho.

[evander87]

hahaha, ya pepperoni sticks are great!!! Its something that tastes decent and can hold me over until my main meal. lol. I dont lift much, Im not big on blowing up muscles, not really into the schene. Just want to lose the extra weight ive gained. The last thing I want to do is change my life. I enjoy eating out, or having a BBQ or eating fast food once in a while, im not looking to eat like a bird for the rest of my life. But I realize its necessary to do so to get on track with a diet.

I only want to lift to get the appropriate strength to burn calories faster. If that makes sense...I dont want to get more muscle, i want that beach body i used to have years ago before my metabolism hit a wall.

And I realize clen isnt a miracle drug, but I figure that cutting down my calories to 2500 a day with decent food and light work outs with light weights in the morning and a cardio at night along with the clen should make me lose quite a bit of weight pretty fast, no?

Like I said, ive never been into the diet, workout, lifting schene...but i realize now I cant just do nothing anymore and keep fit. Im gonna have to work at it with my age. On another note, I took 2 X 20mcg pills today at 9:30 am and 2 more at 3:00pm. Gonna do a half hour cardio now. Hoping im on the right track!

I've also just quit smoking so thats another obstacle I have to hurdle with the metabolism hit. fml


Gotta love pepperoni sticks tho lmao

SMH

YOu're not gonna "blow up" by lifting weights. every fitness model that has a killer "beach body" lifts weights.

80% diet
20% exercise

You don't get the beach body eating junk sorry to bust your bubble.

[brentspatriots]

Wow, im quite certain im aware that eating junk food doesnt GET you a beach body. Not sure what your talking about with your conclusion. All i said was that growing up I could maintain that level and do nothing but ordinary activities...now all that good fortune is gone. I can do without the negative "SMH" responses. I was merely giving an honest assessment of my diet and training habits before and after my "diet day" which was yesterday. And I said I wouldnt do a full 180 day 1 of my diet, i'd slowly try to transform. I have much more chance of building a postive habbit that way.

Side note for my own awareness. Does anyone know how many calories clenbuterol will burn while that person is idle...compared to the calories burned from a person that is very active? Very curious about this.

an example is: 2 grown men with identical biological and physical makeup are taking identical doses of clen for the same amount of time. Both have the same diet. Say both are taking 120mcg daily. Man 1 is lazy and idle. Man 2 is doing an average workout daily while on the pills. how many more calories will the active man burn over the idle guy per day? Now throw in man 3 who is extremely active... what is the drop off in results from man 3 to man 1? Is it as easy as this or is there much more science involved??

[MuscleInk]

IMO, a lean nutrition plan and daily cardio will give you better, and more importantly, SUSTAINABLE results than any diet or weight loss supplement. I have tried several thermogenic and stimulant based compounds and nothing works as well or as permanent as a commitment to better nutrition and regular cardio. Without commitment to either, a drug is only a temporary solution.

[brentspatriots]

I can agree with that ink, I guess u could say im trying to use the clen as a kick start. Easier for me to stay with that nutrition and excersize plan if I see more immediate results off the hop. Very hard to get over the hump in a busy sched. Lack of Motivation and a lack of energy after a full day of work is the hardest thing to overcome for me...im legitimately drained after work everyday.

[MuscleInk]

I can agree with that ink, I guess u could say im trying to use the clen as a kick start. Easier for me to stay with that nutrition and excersize plan if I see more immediate results off the hop. Very hard to get over the hump in a busy sched. Lack of Motivation and a lack of energy after a full day of work is the hardest thing to overcome for me...im legitimately drained after work everyday.

It won't be easy but it will be worth it. I understand how hard it can be. I'm a physician and most days are 10-12 hours. I do an hour of cardio in the AM (before work) and another hour of cardio in the PM. My cardio plan is 6 days a week and I'm considering 7 days. I've dropped my caloric intake to 1500-1700 cals daily and I train 5 days a week with a personal trainer who has competed in 5 BB competitions - and he is relentless!!!! Most days I am dragging my ass through my work outs and then have a 2 hour drive home. Come Sunday (my rest days) sleep is pretty much the only thing I have energy for! Lol

It all comes down to how bad you want it and how hard you'll work for it.

[Pittsburgh412]

Clen is powerful stuff so you need to start slow. I'd start at 40mg a day and increase by 20mg every otherday until you're shaking quite a bit. That should be between 120mg to 140mg a day. Stay there until the 2 weeks are up. Then take 2 weeks off. Start up again at 60mg a day to 80mg a day and do the same thing for 2 weeks, etc. The MOST important thing about taking clen is your diet. If you're eating crappy and is expecting clen to take off weight it isn't going to work. It takes discipline to diet and clen you weight off. Good luck.

You mean mcg? 140mg would kill a wholly mammoth

[MajorPectorial]

It won't be easy but it will be worth it. I understand how hard it can be. I'm a physician and most days are 10-12 hours. I do an hour of cardio in the AM (before work) and another hour of cardio in the PM. My cardio plan is 6 days a week and I'm considering 7 days. I've dropped my caloric intake to 1500-1700 cals daily and I train 5 days a week with a personal trainer who has competed in 5 BB competitions - and he is relentless!!!! Most days I am dragging my ass through my work outs and then have a 2 hour drive home. Come Sunday (my rest days) sleep is pretty much the only thing I have energy for! Lol

It all comes down to how bad you want it and how hard you'll work for it.

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I do 100% think a great way is to buddy up with someone. Mainly for the competitiveness and pushing eachother to do better. You can group ideas and critique each other. as long as u never rely on another.

Firstly on tje think youll heave. Tryst me. I LOVE my food. But. Just.like you i took a look at myself and quite literally thought.

What. The. F!$k have i done.

This is that point of change thar deciding and driving factor for me. You can use this for you too. By all means, look through my threads made. One year to the day. Now i had run two short.cycles. but there was zero caloric deficit. Zero thermals and no concentration on cutting. All i did was train hard. Train alot. But most importantly i chose what id eat. Dont get me wrong. Soooii hard. And i have no doubt you may faulter at times. But think of your end goal all the time. Eat as strict as you can as much as you can. By all means have the odd nice meal. But make it a healthy nice meal you know?, add a low fat/carb light type sauce now and again if you must. If you do this most of the time. And maybe cycle your carbs too. Youll make changes not only that will stick with you for longer, but inevitably youll make good habits too. Itll become second nature and you wont heave at veggies. Youll simply. Likem with a bitasauce you know?,
you can do this. Just make that decision. Shit. If you do that AND thermals imagine just how much quicker youd achieve your goals.

People wonder why i spend 10 hours roughly a week at the gym. Why i eat so strict. Why i relentlessly train. Why i constantly research on bettering techniques or on breaking down muscle fibres. They wonder why i drink water when they drink lager. Why i go home early to sleep and why.i eat so much.


But most of all


They wonder how the hell ive made such a mahoosive difference in muscle size. Fat loss. Strength and general health.

In one year,

(year n half soon, ill be doing 6monthly camera pics) i would do this too. Front. Back side. Relax. Never tense

Yoy can do it. You just have to decide to. Thats the trick. diet dont mean jack.if your not gunna follow through.

Be one of the guys who looks no different from year to year. Ir be someone everyone looks at n says. F'in hell. Your massive. Or toned. Or whatever ur goal is.

Good luck!

[evander87]

I can agree with that ink, I guess u could say im trying to use the clen as a kick start. Easier for me to stay with that nutrition and excersize plan if I see more immediate results off the hop. Very hard to get over the hump in a busy sched. Lack of Motivation and a lack of energy after a full day of work is the hardest thing to overcome for me...im legitimately drained after work everyday.

This is exactly why I'm shaking my head. You have a lot of excuses. What's your bodyfat? If you're 22% and you use clen you'll drop to 20%, guess what, you wont "see" shit for a change. Now if you are 10% and use clen to drop to 8% you'll see a world of difference.

You want to see the quickest results?
Stick with a strict diet and lift a damn weight. I see competitors get DRASTIC results is a short period of time because they eat to get to their goals.

[brentspatriots]

thats crazy ink, good for you to be that dedicated. I guess after getting into things you get a lot more energy throughout the work days? Andthose calories your ttaking every day is unreal. I did 2500 yesterday and was very unfulfilled. Ive never counted a calorie before yesterday. Wow, my triple triple coffee that I have every morning on the way to work cant happen anymore. Its over 300 cals. Whether I like it or not, eating healthy is a life changer.

[brentspatriots]

This is exactly why I'm shaking my head. You have a lot of excuses. What's your bodyfat? If you're 22% and you use clen you'll drop to 20%, guess what, you wont "see" shit for a change. Now if you are 10% and use clen to drop to 8% you'll see a world of difference.

You want to see the quickest results?
Stick with a strict diet and lift a damn weight. I see competitors get DRASTIC results is a short period of time because they eat to get to their goals.

I havent made one excuse bro, almost seems like your trolling my thread..

I dont know my body fat %. Like i said in the original post, im not severly overweight or anything like that, ive been in the infantry for 6 + years, so hard work isnt new to me. Im 6' 220lbs. If I were 180 i'd be considered beyond thin if that describes my bone structure lol. But with the recent scenery change at work, the field excersizes are few and far between, and I gotta do my own workouts to keep fit...

[brentspatriots]

excellent post. "What the f%*&k have I done" is precisely how I felt recently lol. You got it bang on, thanks for the tips.

[evander87]

I havent made one excuse bro,

Who typed this under your account then?

Easier for me to stay with that nutrition and excersize plan if I see more immediate results off the hop. Very hard to get over the hump in a busy sched. Lack of Motivation and a lack of energy after a full day of work is the hardest thing to overcome for me...im legitimately drained after work everyday.

Take the clen , but when you don't see the results you're looking for then what are you going to do?

[brentspatriots]

Who typed this under your account then?



Take the clen, but when you don't see the results you're looking for then what are you going to do?

ummm not an excuse, its a general description of my situation and personality trait lol, Im saying this is what I gotta overcome, but Im not gonna argue on the net.

[MuscleInk]

thats crazy ink, good for you to be that dedicated. I guess after getting into things you get a lot more energy throughout the work days? Andthose calories your ttaking every day is unreal. I did 2500 yesterday and was very unfulfilled. Ive never counted a calorie before yesterday. Wow, my triple triple coffee that I have every morning on the way to work cant happen anymore. Its over 300 cals. Whether I like it or not, eating healthy is a life changer.

Thanks Brent....it's not always easy and behaviors need repeating for about 30 days before habits form!!! There are plenty of days I want to "cheat" but I remind myself how far I've come and how much closer I get to my goals. My caloric reduction is temporary - I'm leaning out to about 8% bf so I can start my next LEAN bulking phase. I'm looking forward to eating more calories but I am committed to cutting the fat!!!!

Sometimes all it takes is seeing people who chose results over excuses to find that little motivation you need:

[brentspatriots]

[QUOTE=MuscleInk;6567944]Thanks Brent....it's not always easy and behaviors need repeating for about 30 days before habits form!!! There are plenty of days I want to "cheat" but I remind myself how far I've come and how much closer I get to my goals. My caloric reduction is temporary - I'm leaning out to about 8% bf so I can start my next LEAN bulking phase. I'm looking forward to eating more calories but I am committed to cutting the fat!!!!

Sometimes all it takes is seeing people who chose results over excuses to find that little motivation you need:


With regards to body fat. I just bought a scale from walmart, and it shows weight, body fat, body water, bone mass. How it figures that out is beyond me. I guess it just takes my height weight and age. It tells me i have 29% body fat. What a disgusting number to see. I gotta get to work. lol. I know the scale isnt entirely 100% accurate but i assume its pretty close.

and for the other user asking about if the clen doesnt work then what will i do...

Im hoping it helps, if not no big deal, im not depending on it and im not using it as my only source of weight loss.

Update, the last 2 days I went to 4 caps a day of the clen. Yesterday wasnt too bad, but today I was drenched in sweat and shaking like a leaf. Normal?

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

i sweat a bunch on clen as most people will.. i never get the shakes though but they are a normal side effect

[brentspatriots]

i sweat a bunch on clen as most people will.. i never get the shakes though but they are a normal side effect

Just learned im taking 50mcg capsules when I thought they were 20mcg!. Been doing 2 caps at breakfast and 2 at lunch equaling 200mcg's a day for the last 2 days.. Too much for me with the trembling. Got home after work yesterday and crashed. Was freezing cold and burnt out. guess my body was depleted. So i dropped to 100 today and it was fine. I'll try 150 tomorrow. I think thats what works for me. Lost 3 lbs in 2 days. Moved to 1500 cals per day with either 1 or 2 workouts a day. I wont stay losing at this rate but its a decent start and good for motivation.

btw. All the clen I see pics of are the white chalk like pill form. Mine are light blue capsules...is this any type of indication of the quality? I dont know much about it but I think the guy told me they are purapharm or something like that and made in canada??? no clue the quality of pills I have...

Something I shouldve looked into before taking I suppose!