1st cycle advice.

**Boss1984** · 06-05-2013, 08:51 PM

I'm wanting to start my first cycle here in a few weeks. Lemme start with my stats
29years old
5'11"
177lbs
12-15% BF
lifting for multiple years

I want to start with a mild(er) pro hormone. So please give honest feedback

Epi 2a3a 5-6 weeks
Joint support
Protex by vital. Cycle support
Post cycle 3x by vital
Oxy elite pro (fat burner)
Nolva 20mg/ 2 weeks. May bump to 40 if recommended
Razor8 (pre workout)
My goal is to add hard dry muscle and cut down my BF. my diet is in check, I lift 4-5x weekly, take in around 200g protein daily through isopure protein shakes/chicken/tuna.

**10nispro** · 06-05-2013, 08:54 PM

Im not a fan of pro hormones. They seem to have more sides and risks associatied with them.

You say your diet is in check but at your height and weight I think different. Put up a days diet and lets take a quick look

**Times Roman** · 06-05-2013, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by 10nispro

Im not a fan of pro hormones. They seem to have more sides and risks associatied with them.

You say your diet is in check but at your height and weight I think different. Put up a days diet and lets take a quick look

Neither am I.

Andro was a pretty good PH, but it's been outlawed for several years now, maybe closer to 12+ years? It provided a good result, and was relatively easy on the body.

the PH's now, from my understanding, are fairly harsh, with much less of a benefit than andro.

**crazy mike** · 06-05-2013, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by 10nispro

Im not a fan of pro hormones. They seem to have more sides and risks associatied with them.

You say your diet is in check but at your height and weight I think different. Put up a days diet and lets take a quick look

That's good advice. Get your diet in check first. Also I don't go for the pro-hormones myself. Just for me I go for the real deal. Get over to nutrition as you get informed. Good luck ...crazy mike

**Boss1984** · 06-05-2013, 09:08 PM

Ok keep in mind I wake up at 11:30am as I work night shift. Here's my typical diet.
11:30am "Breakfast" protein bar/banana/ OJ
1:30pm. Protein shake/ tuna/ pre workout/creatine
3pm after workout. Shake/ 6oz chicken/green vegetable

By now I'm at work. I will eat something every 3 hours whether is be a protein bar or chicken while I'm here. 10hour shift. That is my mon-Friday schedule for the most part. I take a daily vitamin as well. Sat and sun I loosen up a little but still eat fairly healthy. Is my diet way off?

**Boss1984** · 06-05-2013, 09:09 PM

I chose epi because I read a lot of good reviews on it

**10nispro** · 06-05-2013, 09:17 PM

You need to head over to the nutrition forum because that diet needs lots of help. It doesn't matter what time you work, your body wants food. Look at some of the sticky's and sample diets that kinda go with what your goals are. Also, post this same diet on there and ask for a critique. One of the diet gurus will get you on your way. We are here to help and learn. Good Luck

**Boss1984** · 06-05-2013, 09:21 PM

^^ I will do that shortly. I actually thought that diet was pretty good lol. Once I get that part straightened out does my cycle look ok?

**MartyMcFly** · 06-05-2013, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Boss1984

^^ I will do that shortly. I actually thought that diet was pretty good lol. Once I get that part straightened out does my cycle look ok?

Terrible. ditch the prohormones.

**Boss1984** · 06-05-2013, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by MartyMcFly

Terrible. ditch the prohormones.

What would you suggest? I want to hear what you guys would recommend instead of epi

**grumpee** · 06-05-2013, 09:29 PM

Ditch the pro hormones and go on a test only cycle. 400-500mgs EW for 12 weeks

**MartyMcFly** · 06-05-2013, 09:29 PM

Test E, C or P.

**10nispro** · 06-05-2013, 09:29 PM

real testosterone

Whats your hesitation with using real gear?

**Boss1984** · 06-05-2013, 09:35 PM

Honestly... Needles. I've got multiple tattoos, but the thought of injecting myself hesitates me. I'm sure I could make up some BS, but that's the truth

**crazy mike** · 06-05-2013, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Boss1984

Honestly... Needles. I've got multiple tattoos, but the thought of injecting myself hesitates me. I'm sure I could make up some BS, but that's the truth

Reeeeediculous, do it once and it's clear sailing. Also you can have a buddy or a GF or a wife stick you. .....crazy mike

**Back In Black** · 06-06-2013, 01:19 AM

You need to forget AAS until you build a base, else you will lose whatever gains you do make. Your diet is insufficient to support new growth. Please hit up our nutrition forum as suggested.

**BeastBro66** · 06-06-2013, 04:55 AM

You need to eat real food. The best results will come from real food coupled with hard work. I agree with the rest, nutrition section is where you need to start.

**fit2bOld** · 06-06-2013, 07:06 AM

Protein bars and shakes are not food, At 177 lbs and 5'11' this is whats holding you back regardless of what shift you work. We all have same number of hours in a day. Talk to 405 in the nutrition forum