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    Best LIVER Support???

    Hey


    Whats are good Liver products to buy when taking Oral Steroids ???


    cheers.

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    liv52 is pretty good

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    I take NAC daily. 600mg wih bedtime supps
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    UDCA.
    It and NAC are the only 2 I think are worthwhile and personally take.

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    What is NAC

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    Quote Originally Posted by dev0001
    What is NAC
    N-acetylcysteine

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    Cycle Assist, Liv-52, and N2Guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
    UDCA.
    It and NAC are the only 2 I think are worthwhile and personally take.
    Agreed

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    milk thistle
    NAC

    my liver values always come in low, never a problem, but then the only oral I will take is var

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    NAC for me. I run it year round and increase dose on cycle.
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    is a liv supp really only if your taking orals? What about tren a?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriouslifter View Post
    is a liv supp really only if your taking orals? What about tren a?
    Tren can screw up your liver values heavily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
    UDCA.
    It and NAC are the only 2 I think are worthwhile and personally take.
    I used to think the same thing until I read some studies that showed Liv52 to be effective in preventing the progression of end-stage liver disease in cirrhotic patients. Liv52 performed as well or better than conventional meds, which granted don't work very well for cirrhosis.

    The efficacy of Liv-52 on liver cirrhotic pati... [Phytomedicine. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI

    I never expected find out that Liv52 effectively protects the liver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    milk thistle
    NAC

    my liver values always come in low, never a problem, but then the only oral I will take is var
    When you take milk thistle, don't you take it in very large amounts? I thought I remembered you posting about that a while back...

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    Interesting to see an actual study about liv-52. Glad I take it diligently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
    UDCA.
    It and NAC are the only 2 I think are worthwhile and personally take.

    Hey Jimmy how much nac should someone take? Also how much UDCA? And can you run them together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripmachine View Post
    Hey Jimmy how much nac should someone take? Also how much UDCA? And can you run them together?
    I'm not trying to answer for Jim, but your questions are able to be quickly answered. NAC is usually taken at doses of 600mg to 1200mg daily. UDCA, when used to treat AAS-induced liver failure (medication is known, generically known as ursodiol), is dosed at 10mg - 15mg/kg daily dvided into 2 to 3 daily doses and taken with fatty meals - more often than not the weight based dosages refer to LBM. Many ppl take UDCA with NAC as it is not a problem. The typical dose for UDCA on cycle is 500mg 1 to 2 times per day depending on what compounds you are taking. You'd take more if you are using tren and an oral for instance, or a particularly hepatotoxic oral such as halo. Of course if you have pre-existing liver issues, such as Hep B or C, then you would be more aggressive with UDCA to prevent AAS induced liver disease. Many who run test only cycles, especially in the beginner dose range, don't take UDCA and while it may not be needed, it certainly can't hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Tren can screw up your liver values heavily.
    so i should order a liv protection supp while on? I just started. i thought injections werent really bad on liver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriouslifter View Post
    so i should order a liv protection supp while on? I just started. i thought injections werent really bad on liver.
    Absolutely. Injections just skip the first pass, but that doesn't mean they can't do damage, especially tren .
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoloLolo
    Hey

    Whats are good Liver products to buy when taking Oral Steroids ???

    cheers.
    Milk thistle, nice and cheap from GNC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittsburgh412

    Milk thistle, nice and cheap from GNC
    Far better choices and I wouldn't give GNC a dollar of my money.

    NAC, UDCA, TUDCA, Essential Forte N, Liv52 are better choices.
    Last edited by MuscleInk; 06-07-2013 at 10:54 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Far better choices and I wouldn't give GNC a dollar of my money.

    NAC, UDCA, TUDCA, Essential Forte N, Liv52 are better choices.
    do not listen to ink, he is not a doctor or anything important!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittsburgh412 View Post
    Milk thistle, nice and cheap from GNC
    I bet $$ you paid to much for the thistle also...

    grab some nac or liz52

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    Quote Originally Posted by gearbox

    do not listen to ink, he is not a doctor or anything important!
    Nope.....I just play one on tv.

    Gearbox.....aren't you up past your bed time lil guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Nope.....I just play one on tv.

    Gearbox.....aren't you up past your bed time lil guy?
    its the weekend and I am up cause I hit a never again while doing the right quad. so I am WIDE awake. wife is out cold.
    do you want me to make the front BIGGER old man. I have to tread lightly with your cutting diet you are grumpy. HAW told me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Absolutely. Injections just skip the first pass, but that doesn't mean they can't do damage, especially tren.
    i thought tren really didnt do alot as far as liver toxicity. i keep reading mixed reviews. i have taken test/deca before lets say and never used a liver protection. is tren alot diff and need liver protection?

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    All AAS carry the potential for liver toxicity, even testosterone . Tren is significantly worse in regards to kidney and liver toxicity compared to other injectable, unless I'm forgetting about something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriouslifter View Post
    i thought tren really didnt do alot as far as liver toxicity. i keep reading mixed reviews. i have taken test/deca before lets say and never used a liver protection. is tren alot diff and need liver protection?
    Tren can screw up your liver values, probably more than any other injectable. It's never too late to get on NAC.
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    should i get NAC or liv 52? so pretty much NAC is cheaper and they come in 600mg, so it seems i should take 1200mg a day while on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seriouslifter View Post
    should i get NAC or liv 52? so pretty much NAC is cheaper and they come in 600mg, so it seems i should take 1200mg a day while on?
    Well you can get nac in several mg formulas, but yeah, get some and get on.
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    I was taking a crap load of milk thistle, NAC, and liv 52 for 4 months off gear after a 3 month long test/tren cycle, my liver values hardly came down at all! Others here have had luck with NAC and praise it, but I can not.

    I will be trying out this combo next:
    Liv 52
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    TUDCA
    Synthergine

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    Quote Originally Posted by gymfu View Post
    I was taking a crap load of milk thistle, NAC, and liv 52 for 4 months off gear after a 3 month long test/tren cycle, my liver values hardly came down at all! Others here have had luck with NAC and praise it, but I can not.

    I will be trying out this combo next:
    Liv 52
    NAC
    TUDCA
    Synthergine
    UDCA aka ursodiol, and by extension TUDCA, is the treatment of choice for AAS - induced liver dysfunction. I think ar-r has UDCA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicDoc View Post
    UDCA aka ursodiol, and by extension TUDCA, is the treatment of choice for AAS - induced liver dysfunction. I think ar-r has UDCA.
    expensive

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicDoc View Post
    UDCA aka ursodiol, and by extension TUDCA, is the treatment of choice for AAS - induced liver dysfunction. I think ar-r has UDCA.
    Correct, correct, and correct. But it is very expensive through them.

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    I haven't seen UDCA on many other research chem sites and I don't think admin would support us posting other chem sources. But sometimes ar-r has big sales and then it's well priced.

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    I took Liv52 after a month of Anadrol 50, havn't read any real studies (except the one abow now) but i've read here "**w.liv52.se/" about some benefits: (not a selling intention, ops)
    Translation:
    Why should you use LIV 52?

    - Elevated liver function with the purification of the body as a result.
    - Increases appetite significantly.
    - Increased metabolism which promotes the body's own combustion.
    - Improved protein synthesis which can help increase muscle mass and promotes the overall growth.
    - Have an anti-toxic function, which means that Liv.52 cleanses the body of toxins, such as the strong medication.

    Also i've heard great deals of Milk thistle and also Lipon-acid.

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    I don't support the liver supplements...waste of money and bunch of marketing.

    Also for scientific studies...they can be manipulated to show anything. I know many people who take orals with no liv support or who drink like fish....or both at the same time. None have liver problems.

    Personally, if you are at the point in thinking you need a liver supplement, I think you are taking too much of whatever it is making you to think that way. So you should back down the dosage or time on and not use the liver supplements. Your liver is really really hard to **** up....and even if you do mess it up, it heals itself.

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    Synthergine is the best,,,without question.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoloLolo View Post
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    Whats are good Liver products to buy when taking Oral Steroids ???


    cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allaaro View Post
    I don't support the liver supplements...waste of money and bunch of marketing.

    Also for scientific studies...they can be manipulated to show anything. I know many people who take orals with no liv support or who drink like fish....or both at the same time. None have liver problems.

    Personally, if you are at the point in thinking you need a liver supplement, I think you are taking too much of whatever it is making you to think that way. So you should back down the dosage or time on and not use the liver supplements. Your liver is really really hard to **** up....and even if you do mess it up, it heals itself.
    Interesting. Blood work for everyone on earth would say otherwise, including yours.
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    I was waiting for someone to say something. I was a little speechless when I read that and just didn't feel like getting into it

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