First cycleon dbol + test e

I was thinking of doing a dbol and test e cycle

Was thinking of taking 20-30mg of dbols a day
And 50mg/2ml a week of test e?

Where im from test e is really expensive and i was wondering if id get any gain out of using it?

Also i heard that synthetic test can stop the natural production of test the body produces? is this true, if so any way to stop/fix this?

Ive done research about what test e + dbols do just dont know the right amount of dosages.
im after small amount of gains nothing HUGE.


Thanks alot guys, looking forward to hearing your advice.

Stats?

How old are you?
height?
weight?
bf?
how long have you been training?

Taking steroids will shut down your natural test

the proposed cycle isn't good IMHO.

Im 22 years old
im 186cm
im 78kg
ive been training for about 8 months now.

can i fix my body to start reproducing natural test?

Bit young recomend atleast 25 before aas use and 8 months is really not long at all what do you mean reproduce have you cycled?

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

Marcus have you got this stuff filed?

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Marcus have you got this stuff filed?

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They are threads here
http://forums.steroid.com/educationa...#.UWZ9Mp5waM8=

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

:)

My test e bottle says 250mg on the front label, does that mean 1ml = 250mg or the whole 10ml=250mg?

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Originally Posted by genx2g

My test e bottle says 250mg on the front label, does that mean 1ml = 250mg or the whole 10ml=250mg?

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I think you should respond and acknowledge Marcus' posts. He is one of the most knowledgable members here and you would do yourself a tremendous benefit if you would listen and follow his advice.

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I think you should respond and acknowledge Marcus' posts. He is one of the most knowledgable members here and you would do yourself a tremendous benefit if you would listen and follow his advice.

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i did read and acknowledge it, i was asking a separate question.

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i did read and acknowledge it, i was asking a separate question.

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Guess I missed the part where you acknowledged since I still don't see it.

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Originally Posted by genx2g

i did read and acknowledge it, i was asking a separate question.

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Being a smart ass isn't going to endear you to the people who can help you the most.

Your questions are very basic and IMO you have no business taking steroids based on your questions alone. I don't need your stats.

250mg/10ML means there are 250mg in each ML and the vial contains 10ML...and you don't have enough for a cycle.

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Originally Posted by Lunk1

250mg/10ML means there are 250mg in each ML and the vial contains 10ML...and you don't have enough for a cycle.

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Thank you for that :)

Some serious Sooky babies on this forums, if you answered my questions instead of continuing on a different track i wouldn't have to be a smart ass. although i don't see how i was.

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Thank you for that :)

Some serious Sooky babies on this forums, if you answered my questions instead of continuing on a different track i wouldn't have to be a smart ass. although i don't see how i was.

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Marcus took a lot of time to post

Ahh nevermind. GL.

I'd like to see where you thanked or acknowledged him.

- Sooky Baby

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Originally Posted by Java Man

Marcus took a lot of time to post

Ahh nevermind. GL.

I'd like to see where you thanked or acknowledged him.

- Sooky Baby

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I acknowledged his post, it wasn't what i asked for. i can copy and paste aswell, i was after ADVICE from people not copy and pasted information.

Ouch !!

Don't flame a vet with knowledge who is trying to help you.......research and learn my friend!!

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Originally Posted by genx2g

I acknowledged his post, it wasn't what i asked for. i can copy and paste aswell, i was after ADVICE from people not copy and pasted information.

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The advise is here already in the post he copied because what your asking has been asked 1000's of times and your just to lazy to do your own homework marcus did you a favor copying that for you.

So wat your really saying is.After you run this cycle and develope problems down the road.Like ED no libdo depression you are going to use that bad attitude to look for help? We answer questions like this beacuse.Guys like you come along everyday wanting to get big quick.But dont know wat they are in for.Granted most have a lot more experence than you.This just shows us you are not willing to put forth the effort.And you are looking for a short cut.Sorry bro there is no such thing.

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I acknowledged his post, it wasn't what i asked for. i can copy and paste aswell, i was after ADVICE from people not copy and pasted information.

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Even if he's the original author? I wouldn't write that twice if I didn't have to either.

Just another smart ass. One of the most knowledgable members on this forum (Marcus) gives him feed back and al he can do is run his little mouth off.

Why ask a question if you've already decided on the answer? (that's a rhetorical question, Farley!)