everyone telling me 3Ml a week of test P and 7Ml of winstrol will only gain 10 pounds and wont notice anything till a month? cant you do that with creitein? or eating etc whats point? or will i notice fater?
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everyone telling me 3Ml a week of test P and 7Ml of winstrol will only gain 10 pounds and wont notice anything till a month? cant you do that with creitein? or eating etc whats point? or will i notice fater?
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It's not worth it at your age either way. 10 lbs for potentially long term damage? No thanks, not even for 20 lbs.
Think smart. Your problem isn't lack of gear, it's your diet. Visit the nutrition section because even with a ton of gear, your gains will suffer until you fix your diet.
Good luck.
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Exactly. You can do it with just creatine and food and stay natural. Dont risk your health unnecessarily.Originally Posted by DaSpread0
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First off, there's no need for two threads on the same topic.
Second, giving us ml means absolutely nothing. How often are you pinning? What is the mg / ml?
Most importantly, 20 is too young because you run the risk of damaging your endocrine system.
165 is not much of a base at all to be starting. Steroids. You can easily put on the weight you're looking for with proper training and diet.
You made 0 mention of your protocol with AI, HCG, PCT. do you have any in place? Do you know what any of this means?
I don't mean to offend but I'm not worried about it if I do lol. You are too young, too small, and grossly uneducated on the subject. There is no guidelines for how much you will gain for any AAS. It is diet and training dependent. If you can't gain naturally you won't gain much usin steroids, if you do you'll likely lose most of it once you're off.
I highly suggest you read the stickeys and do some research before you decide to do anything
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yea im taking novada (cant spell) but im stuck at 165this is all natural a year ago 150-165 in 3-4 months now im stuck and steroids have to get me past it
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Your diet is stuck. Not your gains. Fix your diet and you'll gain, you have plenty of room.yea im taking novada (cant spell) but im stuck at 165
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Same crap different day. Buddy, we've been through this but you don't want to listen. Steroids are NOT magic. You need to eat and put the work in and be patient. Do you think the pros juice up and 24 hours later look like beasts!?! Your expectations are WAY off and we've already told you this.
If you are serious about gaining some real muscle, lost everything you ate today and yesterday with the macros. Tell us your current LBM and TDEE. If you aren't willing to do this we can't help you.
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Steroids don't "have to" get you anywhere. I've out my .02 in and the experienced and knowledgable members on this forum, as you are about to see, will give very similar advice. We do not condone unsafe usage of AAS because, well, we aren't going to be responsible for some kid damaging himself for life for some aesthetics.
And it's Nolvadex. You're "taking it"? As PCT? Or are you attempting to use it as your AI? That's antiquated protocol that is no longer used because there are newer, safer, and better products to do the job out there.
Again. How many mg of nolva are you taking. What was your proposed weekly dosage? Pin schedule?
You seem to have your mind set on doing it no matter what we have to say yes? If so, ou must already have all of the answers. It sounds like you know better than those of us who have been doing it for longer than you've been alive.
Good luck
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Don't get me wrong, were not bashing you. But the same flaws in logic and the same questions come up every day. Either you'll take the time to do the research and see the risks, or you'll do whatever you want to do anyway. It's your choice. We are simply here to help with the information aspect of it. I wouldn't recommend what you're doing to a friend or an enemy because its not safe.
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Plus any gains you make as AD suggests, will be more "permanent" than by dosing up with a lousy meal plan
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I believe you guys but im wondering if its all about eating then why do you gus take em if all you need is diet? Honest
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And, any gains in muscle mass you do happen to make (if any) won't stay with you if you don't eat the propert diet to maintain muscle tissue.
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Speaking for myself...
...I've been lifting since before you were born. Normally, I'm about 240+, and diet and exercise alone, along with my age (51) and gains for me come real slow.
Since you are 20, you have an incredible amount of "low hanging fruit" you can get with diet and exercise alone.
But all my "low hanging fruit" has been plucked years ago.
If I were your age, knowing then what I know now, I easily could have been my size in a couple of two or three years.
So, for myself, AAS is what keeps my gains moving along, else they would stall out, and at my age, my genetic potential is probably close to 230 without an extreme all out effort (which probably wouldn't be sustainable anyways)
make sense?
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A person who does everything necessary to build and maintain a lean, muscular body eventually hits a wall. They need something to help stimulate further growth.
That's one of a plethora of possible answers. The point is that the main components are lifestyle and proper diet to achieve your goal. AAS are a tool in the shed but will do you no good without gaining the knowledge and experience in lifting and eating for size/strength first.
Last edited by Java Man; 06-15-2013 at 07:54 PM.
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Its crazy that I here people talk about these things ... I have friends that started with very lil knowledge and they pumped right up ... and learned as they when't its
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Absolutely, but some people can smoke a pack a day for 50yrs with little or no health consequence. That doesn't mean it's a safe or a good idea. Some of your friends may be fine now but in trouble 10 or 20 years down the road. It's a big chance to take. And it's not one I would suggest unless you truly understand all of the pros, and more importantly, cons of what you're doing.
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i hope i read it wrongly, but thats really reckless advice.
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It will catch up with them sooner or later. very irresponsible.
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They learn the hard way and get stuck with problems the rest of their lives? I agree with AD theres going with the flow but sometimes its plain stupid.
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Same thing I did. That is precisely why I said what I did. Is the above what you would ADVISE someone to do?
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I would severely doubt that's what he meant, but I'd like to know also
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This is absolutely reckless advice. A lot of impressionable young men come here looking for advice. They've likely been told various things about anabolics and have often only heard the positives. Lets be realistic. How many guys want to openly discuss erectile dysfunction, loss of libido or "bitch tits" all induced from reckless anabolic use. It's emasculating!!!
I believe we have a responsibility to direct people towards safe and informed steroid use. Legalities aside, we, as a collective community seek to dispel the misinformation surrounding steroid use and advise members on proper and safe use when it's appropriate to do so.
This cavalier attitude of "learn as you go" is immature and dangerous and should not be encouraged under any circumstance
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It's rhetorical. Was. Now I'm wondering. Hard to tell because he didn't complete the post. I hope not. Sure, people used to grope in the dark but I honestly see no reason why with resources like this available. There was no internet when I got started so I didn't have a choice. Books and magazines, but the intent of the author was questionable. Make money, or truly tell it like it is? Never could be sure.
Now, there's no question about motive-nobody here is being paid. Its voluntary. You just have to filter knowledge from garbage.
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I won't mince words, at this juncture. If you came to a group, not one of experts and asked questions that you have no clue and just argue you are ignorant to the point of stupid. If you do this with your own heath I wouldn't trust you with my dog. Now I say this really not to piss you off, but everyone is being patient. If you decide to do it your way then don't shove you ideas, in our face so rudly that CONFLICT with at least 80% of the members, both young and old.
You've domn no research so you will never know the Why and how these thing go onb.
What to look for when things go wrong and it is very possible to go wring.
Ai now maybe you know what is but you didn't have it down hence you would probably end up with female boobs, tits, I will not mince my words I said at this point. How old are these people and how many yrs. of holding these gains you see. Don't get it all down right and you WILL LOOSE it.
How about how long and intense and how heavy are you accustomed. Steroids will increase your muscle strength and this will be fun. you will have fun, fun, fun until you tear something because you have not matured yet. Hell you haven't by your arguing the facts and your comments that are so idiotic you are mentally immature.
I been around and owned a gym competed and have do so much it would blow you and your friends away. Look I'll be 62 yrs. next month. I took 25 yrs off and if you look at my log I'm not too bad for the time off and my age.
So please take heed and so some respect , these guys know what they talk of even if you don't like it. Now do some research and get some education and come back we'll be here to HELP YOU. ...crazy mike
I'm sorry if I offended anyone and I hope Admin doesn't have a prob with me being so strong with my words of wisdom. ... crazy old mike
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