if I go to the ER???

[bulktser84]

And I have to tell them what im injecting can I go to jail or well I ?

[grumpee]

No you will not go to jail.

[bdos]

Are you planning to get injured soon?

[austinite]

And I have to tell them what im injecting can I go to jail or well I ?

Why do you need the ER?

[bdos]

Why do you need the ER?

Because you will crush him

[bulktser84]

Why do you need the ER?

This s*** is crazy I don't know if I'm allergic or not but I tell you this it can't be an infection because I'm very sterile but I've been using test 350 with 4 different blends of test and I don't know if its the old and the test I'm allergic to the my muscles don't like that s***.... I've been rotating between the deltoids and they hurt for like 3 days then is very better but for the last two days both of them are very tight and warm don't hurt that bad but if I hope both of my arms up they can to do but I think that may do because of how tight they are no redness or anything like that just wanted to touch in very tight

[bulktser84]

This s*** is crazy I don't know if I'm allergic or not but I tell you this it can't be an infection because I'm very sterile but I've been using test 350 with 4 different blends of test and I don't know if its the old and the test I'm allergic to the my muscles don't like that s***.... I've been rotating between the deltoids and they hurt for like 3 days then is very better but for the last two days both of them are very tight and warm don't hurt that bad but if I hope both of my arms up they can to do but I think that may do because of how tight they are no redness or anything like that just wanted to touch in very tight

Oil.... not old

[bulktser84]

Why do you need the ER?

I guess just to be safe also as I described below me and my brother shoot the same day the same test and he doesn't have this effect does it bother him whatsoever

[austinite]

Are you in the US? Have insurance? ER is going to cost you an arm & a leg. Just go to a clinic tomorrow. Just tell them you got a b12 shot and you think it's infected.

3 days is a bit soon, usually around day 4 or 5 the swelling and discomfort goes down if it's just muscle irritation.

[kronik420]

blends tend to cause more PIP than single esters..

[kronik420]

like aus said, give it a few more days.. pain should go away... until your next pin...

[ChiveOn]

^^ what austinite said. My delts hurt for 3-4 days pretty good at the beginning of the cycle. But it goes away after a few pins.

[bulktser84]

Are you in the US? Have insurance? ER is going to cost you an arm & a leg. Just go to a clinic tomorrow. Just tell them you got a b12 shot and you think it's infected.

3 days is a bit soon, usually around day 4 or 5 the swelling and discomfort goes down if it's just muscle irritation.

Yes buddy usa also I know I have Obamacare

[bulktser84]

^^ what austinite said. My delts hurt for 3-4 days pretty good at the beginning of the cycle. But it goes away after a few pins.

my right deltoid a shot previous before the left did go away 3 to 4 days and then I shot the other one and it got sore and I worked my shoulders out really good and now both of them are hurting again just really tight not really hurting and warm to the touch

[bulktser84]

^^ what austinite said. My delts hurt for 3-4 days pretty good at the beginning of the cycle. But it goes away after a few pins.

And I'm on my fourth week of sending and its they still get store no matter what but what kills me is my brother and them are not getting this and we're all using the same set of course different needles and syringes and are always very sanitary

[ChiveOn]

Do you rotate sites other than delts? And how often are you hitting the same muscle

[bulktser84]

blends tend to cause more PIP than single esters..

that's what I'm thinking buddy I think maybe my muscles just can't take the blend as all of us are different can I switch to a single test in the middle in the middle of my cycle

[ChiveOn]

I would stay the course man, no need to be switching things up in the middle unless its absolutely necessary. Pain is part of the game it will deaden as time goes on. I enjoy it, yea it hurts but every time it causes pain it reminds me that I'm on. And that I should go back to the gym instead of whining lol

Edit: I'm not calling you out for whining haha. It's what I tell myself too

[bulktser84]

Do you rotate sites other than delts? And how often are you hitting the same muscle

Nope lol just deltoid left then right then back to left and so on I'm thinking of stopping for 2 weeks should be OK until I get test cyp in ... ????

[bulktser84]

I would stay the course man, no need to be switching things up in the middle unless its absolutely necessary. Pain is part of the game it will deaden as time goes on. I enjoy it, yea it hurts but every time it causes pain it reminds me that I'm on. And that I should go back to the gym instead of whining lol

So this doesn't sound like an infection problem to you more just I have bad pip ??

[Pittsburgh412]

^^ what austinite said. My delts hurt for 3-4 days pretty good at the beginning of the cycle. But it goes away after a few pins.

Yeah my delta are used to it after 3rd injecton completely painless
I've heard stories of T400 flute injections prohibiting people from sitting down

[kronik420]

that's what I'm thinking buddy I think maybe my muscles just can't take the blend as all of us are different can I switch to a single test in the middle in the middle of my cycle

you can switch esters no problem.. whats your cycle look like?

and whats in the blend?

[Back In Black]

that's what i'm thinking buddy i think maybe my muscles just can't take the blend as all of us are different can i switch to a single test in the middle in the middle of my cycle

ffs this is the third thread you are asking for this advice in!!!!!!!!

[fit2bOld]

Obama care takes effect in 2014 and is a program to buy group insurance through and central buying consortium. Either you have personal insurance or not currently. ER will cost a fortune use a clinic as advised. A you can't just keep slamming the delts in the same area. Rotation quads glutes Bi tri chest etc

[ChiveOn]

I agree, start including at least one other group of muscles to pin. Glutes are painless and can hold quite a bit of oil. Quads aren't too bad either

[bulktser84]

you can switch esters no problem.. whats your cycle look like?

and whats in the blend?

Test decanoate 140mg
Test phenylpropionate 84 mg
Test p 42mg
Test isocapproate 84mg

[bulktser84]

I agree, start including at least one other group of muscles to pin. Glutes are painless and can hold quite a bit of oil. Quads aren't too bad either

Thanks bro a lot I sure imma go in the ass cheek today ill let everyone know how it gos

[ChiveOn]

That's what we're here for! If nothing else it'll at least give you some time to heal up your pained delts and see if its the muscle group that is the problem or the gear itself. Keep us updated and good luck

[crazy mike]

Test decanoate 140mg
Test phenylpropionate 84 mg
Test p 42mg
Test isocapproate 84mg

I just caught this thread. I tell you by my experience it is that sh!t blend. The blends, by me, are crap. They usually are made to be very potent so something will kick, Bullsh!t it's crap.

If you want to continue with little to no PIP, you must dilute each injection such as .5 cc/ml with .5 cc/ml another compound such as deca or a straight Cyp of Enanthate . That will reduce PIP. That's my experience. You couldn't give those blends to me. ...crazy mike

[Tron3219]

I would stay the course man, no need to be switching things up in the middle unless its absolutely necessary. Pain is part of the game it will deaden as time goes on. I enjoy it, yea it hurts but every time it causes pain it reminds me that I'm on. And that I should go back to the gym instead of whining lol

Edit: I'm not calling you out for whining haha. It's what I tell myself too

PIP does not have to be a part of the game. That's the most asinine thing I've heard today. A close second would be that it'll get better. He's 4 weeks into it, that's at least 4 injections in each delt more then likely. It's not muscle trauma, it's poorly constructed gear.

Blends are NOT my favorite, I have yet to see a good use for anything beyond two esters when dealing with test. And I wouldn't do it in a blend.

OP, I'd most definitely switch to a single ester testosterone . Preferably one with a low BA concentration.

[ChiveOn]

I used a blend for my first cycle and I wouldn't do so again. It's just easier to control a single ester IMO.

And I'm sorry you feel my personal experiences are asinine Tron. Although I'm sure you have more experience than me, you're most certainly the only person I've ever met that has cycled that believes that PIP isn't a part of every cycle to some degree.
I'm not claiming it will hurt every time, or that all labs are created equal, but as I mentioned earlier its something that's usually there at the beginning of cycles and fades quickly.
I'd love to know what lab you are a fan of where PIP is this magical made up bunch of nonsense

[Tron3219]

I used a blend for my first cycle and I wouldn't do so again. It's just easier to control a single ester IMO.

And I'm sorry you feel my personal experiences are asinine Tron. Although I'm sure you have more experience than me, you're most certainly the only person I've ever met that has cycled that believes that PIP isn't a part of every cycle to some degree.
I'm not claiming it will hurt every time, or that all labs are created equal, but as I mentioned earlier its something that's usually there at the beginning of cycles and fades quickly.
I'd love to know what lab you are a fan of where PIP is this magical made up bunch of nonsense

Eating is a part of the game, lifting is a part of the game, discipline is part of the game. PIP should be a rare occurrence. I never said it won't happen, but it doesn't have to happen. The only time I have ever gotten PIP was shit gear. And if its shit gear, it will not go away. Either the gear is not sterile, too much BA or some recipe disaster.

Lab? I don't use labs anymore because u gamble getting shit gear. I make my own. And I have injected probably close to 400mL of my own gear and have yet to get any PIP. Only time oven get sore is when I inject 4mL into my delts.

[Tron3219]

And I never said ur personal experiences are asinine, however your comments are.

[ChiveOn]

Eating is a part of the game, lifting is a part of the game, discipline is part of the game. PIP should be a rare occurrence. I never said it won't happen, but it doesn't have to happen. The only time I have ever gotten PIP was shit gear. And if its shit gear, it will not go away. Either the gear is not sterile, too much BA or some recipe disaster.

Lab? I don't use labs anymore because u gamble getting shit gear. I make my own. And I have injected probably close to 400mL of my own gear and have yet to get any PIP. Only time oven get sore is when I inject 4mL into my delts.

I kind of assumed you home brewed lol. I can tell you from personal experience, and from experience of the several close friends I have that cycle, that the first few injections into each muscle group have always caused some form of pain localized to the injection site.
Maybe we have a different definition of PIP, but to me it seems that pain or discomfort due directly to, and restricted to the area of, an injection seems to fit the bill for me.
I haven't been a part of the lifestyle long enough, nor do I have the time or resources to home brew so I have to rely on labs. I only know personally of 3 labs and 2 sources that have been used by myself and others and we all have come to the same conclusion that a minor and nagging discomfort for the first several pins in each muscle group is a part of it

[ChiveOn]

And I never said ur personal experiences are asinine, however your comments are.

I give comments and advice directly from personal experience so it's merely splitting hairs at that point. But to each his own. Hopefully I can one day be able to supervise and handle everything I put in myself personally. And at that point ill be able to autoclave my gear to death or whatever it is that helps eliminate PIP. I don't have the experience or knowledge in that department at all so I can't really argue that

[crazy mike]

Well OP I guess one thing you can learn here is that the blends are not good. There is no reason for them. I think they are counter productive. Good luck ...crazy mike

[Red Bastard]

Good luck OP! My first few weeks of injections were hellish, but it does get better. Sure, I still get a bit of pip, but nothing debilitating anymore.
Start pinning your ventro glutes, you'll soon wish that that was where ya started.

[bulktser84]

I just caught this thread. I tell you by my experience it is that sh!t blend. The blends, by me, are crap. They usually are made to be very potent so something will kick, Bullsh!t it's crap.

If you want to continue with little to no PIP, you must dilute each injection such as .5 cc/ml with .5 cc/ml another compound such as deca or a straight Cyp of Enanthate. That will reduce PIP. That's my experience. You couldn't give those blends to me. ...crazy mike

Yeah imma run there straight cyp and get off the blend

[Pittsburgh412]

Yeah imma run there straight cyp and get off the blend

If you don't mind pinning cyp is a good idea

[crazy mike]

Yeah imma run there straight cyp and get off the blend

Thank you. Really you will be happier. I will add, to the answer about ER and the Cops. They don't give a sh!t and they will not call them. Relax about that. If you had tried to end it all, I will tell you exactly what will happen blow by blow, lol now. Oh you can go with Enanthate , you know that Good luck man. ...crazy mike