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06-18-2013, 06:48 AM #1Associate Member
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How does this cycle look?
First cycle. 21 years old 6'5 220 lbs. I have enough gear for 14 weeks but am planning on 12.
1-4 40 mg dbol Ed
1-12 test e 250 mg 2x a week
Hcg 250 iu 2x a week
Ldex .25 mg eod
Pct starting 2 weeks after last pin
1-30 ldex .25mg 100.mg clomid and 20 mg nolva
I also plan on taking 5 mg cialis 2x a day and livercare tablets.
All this Is based on info I found on here. Opinions?
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06-18-2013, 06:52 AM #2
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06-18-2013, 06:55 AM #3Associate Member
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Already read that. A lot of people say waiting till age 25 is overkill. I understand the risks
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06-18-2013, 06:58 AM #4
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06-18-2013, 07:01 AM #5Associate Member
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People In that thread and on the forum. Don't need to be a smartass man, I have put a lot of research into this
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06-18-2013, 07:10 AM #6
What is your bodyfat%?
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06-18-2013, 07:10 AM #7Junior Member
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Go for it then! If you know then risks, then good luck bro!
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06-18-2013, 07:14 AM #8Associate Member
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06-18-2013, 07:15 AM #9
Ldex is not for pct. what are your stats training exp, bf%.
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06-18-2013, 07:16 AM #10Originally Posted by Whiteboyy0NO SOURCES GIVEN
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06-18-2013, 07:21 AM #11Associate Member
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06-18-2013, 07:23 AM #12
Why don't you just add 500cals to your current diet and bulk without AAS?
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06-18-2013, 07:38 AM #13Associate Member
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06-18-2013, 07:42 AM #14Originally Posted by Whiteboyy0NO SOURCES GIVEN
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06-18-2013, 07:49 AM #15Associate Member
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06-18-2013, 08:07 AM #16Originally Posted by Whiteboyy0NO SOURCES GIVEN
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06-18-2013, 08:27 AM #17Associate Member
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06-18-2013, 08:38 AM #18
If you are concerned that your test levels are low then how will you feel after cycle when they come back, potentially, lower than they were when a cycle started?
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06-18-2013, 08:41 AM #19Associate Member
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Yes that's another concern of mine. I was also considering self administering trt doses. Doctor wouldn't do anything for me since I'm young, even though I fit the profile.
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06-18-2013, 08:58 AM #20Originally Posted by Whiteboyy0NO SOURCES GIVEN
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06-18-2013, 11:39 AM #21
cycle is fine... it would be more helpful if you had nova dex or letro in my op...
i would try the letro - just cuz if you say your 15PERSENT body fat - normally that means the person is really 20 % ... so, the problem you will have in increased chance of estrogen conversion (happens when body fat is higher levels)
and just finsh out the full product dont cut it short - nothing worst then having one or two weeks of stuff left and not enought to do any thing with.
again as stated above - to answer this extreamly accuately more info would be helpful...
now to address this... and please listen... "my test is on the low end of normal according to my doc so I always keep my fat high" bs!!! your diet is why your body holds more fat!!!
so what if your test is low! that doesnt mean your MUST PUT ON fat!!!
fat is a easy mathimatical equasion! eat more then you burn and fat is added for that day - burn more than you eat and fat is removed for that day... END OF STORY!
so the point... DIET< DIET > DIET, then WORK OUT, then DRUGS
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06-18-2013, 11:51 AM #22Banned for repping Dangerous Substances
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Hey man let me apologize for some others that jumped on you before giving you a chance. You said you were learning not that you had it all under your hat, I know so with that I say, slow down. Stop ! look (research) and listen. Do more reading on all your Q's, do more general readings as to steroids and the young. You are light for your size, and you are young which tells me you got more natural growth using diet and supplements.
So read up, listen close to BIB. Get into the nutrition and HRT and TRT forums. Good luck, be patient it takes a long time to build a body like a true bodybuilder/ ...crazy mikee
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06-18-2013, 11:57 AM #23Banned for repping Dangerous Substances
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Not a productive thing to say, before taking time to talk to him and given another shot. The fact that he could lay it out somewhat shows he was doing some reading, and making showed an effort. I think we just got finished helping you with your deficiencies. As I say all the time. Be cool, be patient. I say it and it's the hardest thing for me to do and fail much of the time. But I try to help others like you and him. .... crazy mike
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06-18-2013, 12:10 PM #24
Go see another Doc, those "Normal" test ranges can sometimes range from ages 18-65, and being at the low end of "normal" does not mean it IS normal. How you feel and what symptoms you have are actually more important than the test levels themselves.
Sadly, most docs are crap when it comes to hormones. Even a lot of Endos, who supposedly are specialists at the human Endocrine system, are crap.
Get properly tested first, thats just my suggestion.
Also, you will not need the Cialis on cycle mate.
Drop the D-bol!! Test only for #1 cycle.
No A-dex during PCT
You really are too young, especially if you ALREADY are having problems with your hormone levels.
I think you KNOW OF the risks, but I do not think you fully, and truly, UNDERSTAND the risks. There's a difference
Whatever you decide to do, I wish you Good Luck
/Maf
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06-18-2013, 01:31 PM #25Associate Member
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Appreciate the advice man, I just feel like going this route would be a lot cheaper than repeated doctor visits plus cost of script. I intend to get regular bloodwork. Iirc test e won't take effect for 4-6 weeks, which would be after I'm done with the d Bol . Would that still be overkill?
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06-18-2013, 01:40 PM #26Associate Member
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amcon i think you misunderstood I keep my fat macros high to assist in hormone production. Not my body fat. I'm fairly confident I'm below 15 I still have outlines of top 4 abdominals. Your post is very insulting I mentioned my macros in the above posts as well as calories, I understand cals in vs cals out
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06-18-2013, 01:47 PM #27Associate Member
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06-18-2013, 01:53 PM #28Associate Member
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I also see a lot of conflict with on cycle support. Some people say only an ai and others say an ai and serm. What go you guys think?
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06-18-2013, 01:55 PM #29
You would be a fool to try and self medicate. See another Dr.
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06-18-2013, 02:11 PM #30Associate Member
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I don't see how that's foolish if I get regular labs, have reliable access to gear, and use responsibly. Please explain
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06-18-2013, 02:19 PM #31
You will always have regular access to everything you need? Always have funds? Do you even know the cause of your low test?
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06-18-2013, 02:36 PM #32Associate Member
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If I were to go that route it wouldn't be very expensive taking say 200 mg a week. I haven't committed to anything but if I plan ahead and do more research I'm confident I won't have problems. Also no have not found the cause they did a full panel on me, perfectly healthy with normal t according to my doctor
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06-18-2013, 02:48 PM #33
You should revisit your thread in the HRT forum.
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06-18-2013, 03:04 PM #34
get.. a... new... doc...
Also, FYI, Nebido which is *the* testosterone therapy for people with hypogonadism is 1000mg every 12 weeks, thats LESS than 100mg per week, and its with the undecanoate ester, so its even less test mg per mg then Enanthate .
Seriously, get another docs opinion, you do NOT want to f*ck up your HPTA even worse if you already have a problem.. It could even be a brain tumor thats the cause of your low T, in which case you'll end up killing yourself if you selfmedicate..
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06-18-2013, 08:25 PM #35Banned for repping Dangerous Substances
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Get another opinion from a doc. WE are not doctors. Good luck. ...crazy mike
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