Infections

[Twack]

So if anyone was reading my first thread I pinned 1ml 350gm test-e on Thursday in a bad location on the top of my thigh. It was my first time ever pinning anything-so I know I F-up. Went to the Dr yesterday had a infection-started antibiotic and got a tetanus shot.
Long story short I pinned in the correct location with all the proper sterile procedures that night. It's been 24hrs and there is no reaction a little sore but that's from a shaky hand. I checked a few other guys running same gear and they tell me it's top of the line. Since I have not had a issue with the 2nd site I'm pretty sure it was me not the gear that caused the problems.

Are infections common? Is there anything I should watch for? Can I heat the gear in water to kill any bacteria?

[austinite]

No. infections are not common. Re Filter gear or trash it.

[OdinsOtherSon]

You could autoclave it (pressure cooker) but do not set vial directly into the water. You want to expose it to the steam so put it on an elevated rack above the water. 20 min at 10lbs should be good.

[Rwy]

No. infections are not common. Re Filter gear or trash it.

Last summer I got bad reactions from a bottle of test. I tossed it.



OP with all this UGL gear you dont take chance. If your body reacts funny throw it out

[stpete]

Brave man. but if you're fine now i guess it's ok. but personally, i'd get rid of it.

[Twack]

Brave man. but if you're fine now i guess it's ok. but personally, i'd get rid of it.

So far no reaction at the second injection site...not due to pin again till Thurs if it stays that I will assume it was me and not the gear. If there is a reaction I will filter and auto clave with steam as described above or trash. I have contacted a few other guys running this gear and they have not had any issues.
I want to be safe and would just trash all the vials but since it was my first pin I'm 98% sure it was bad sterile procedure on my end, since I'm getting a dr involved for a b12 injection gone bad lol I figured this would be the best time to check that theory.

Last question: would you trash all the vials or just the one drawn from? Hate to trash 25 weeks worth.

[Rwy]

They are amps or 10ml bottles?

[simpson72]

[B[/B]

Bro I m a RN, remember wash ur hand before to any procedure

second never toch the needle with the hand .
u can use one needle to take the oil from the vial and other to pin .

3 if the vial has a gun top . clean it with soap.

basic recomendations

i have do many cycles , believeme never have get any sing of infeccion.

[Twack]

They are sealed 10ml vials

[Twack]

[B[/B]

Bro I m a RN, remember wash ur hand before to any procedure

second never toch the needle with the hand .
u can use one needle to take the oil from the vial and other to pin .

3 if the vial has a gun top . clean it with soap.

basic recomendations

i have do many cycles , believeme never have get any sing of infeccion.

Yea I just f-up everything the first one-was kind of a mess. To top it all off I think I even wiped the needle with the alcohol swab!!!! Dont know what was going through my head, but made sure I followed ever step on spot injections to the "T" on the second shot and have not had any issues at all its been over 48hrs.

Keeping a close eye on it any issue and I may just give it a break.

[Bonaparte]

You could autoclave it (pressure cooker) but do not set vial directly into the water. You want to expose it to the steam so put it on an elevated rack above the water. 20 min at 10lbs should be good.

The water in a pressure cooker reaches the same temp as the steam.

[MajorPectorial]

I'd autoclave ugl gear anyway. Only takes one mistake in their part. But then. I'll never go near a ugl brand again sooo. Go figure. Never had a problem myself. But ppl loooove cutting corners n the only thing that matters is the cash. Not saying all ugls are bad. But I ain't saying they're all hunky dory. You could get mixed ingredients. Contamination. Low dose or even no dose. That's why I'm steering clear. If u have a pressure cooker or autoclave. Cook em. U got nothing to lose n cut out the risk. N hitting the needle with an alcohol swab obv wouldn't give u an infection mate.

[simpson72]

That is bro!
Peace

[simpson72]

Yea I just f-up everything the first one-was kind of a mess. To top it all off I think I even wiped the needle with the alcohol swab!!!! Dont know what was going through my head, but made sure I followed ever step on spot injections to the "T" on the second shot and have not had any issues at all its been over 48hrs.

Keeping a close eye on it any issue and I may just give it a break.

Cool!

[crazy mike]

So far no reaction at the second injection site...not due to pin again till Thurs if it stays that I will assume it was me and not the gear. If there is a reaction I will filter and auto clave with steam as described above or trash. I have contacted a few other guys running this gear and they have not had any issues.
I want to be safe and would just trash all the vials but since it was my first pin I'm 98% sure it was bad sterile procedure on my end, since I'm getting a dr involved for a b12 injection gone bad lol I figured this would be the best time to check that theory.

Last question: would you trash all the vials or just the one drawn from? Hate to trash 25 weeks worth.

No problem with second injection ?? I would not trash it. I think most probably you did something, don't know what but something wrong. Everyone else g2g and you only once. Hang on and see how it goes on another one. Why second thread on this Old mikey can't keep up. Anyway did you say this is a blend??? ...crazy mike

I might be off on the compound . Ok I'll back seat this one now ...cm

[OdinsOtherSon]

The water in a pressure cooker reaches the same temp as the steam.

Mechanism of Autoclave Sterilization

The autoclave is like a large pressure cooker and is a physical method for disinfection and sterilization. Autoclaves work with a combination of steam, pressure and time. Autoclaving does not remove chemical contamination. Steam must be in contact with the material being sterilized to be effective. Steam is generated and pumped into the chamber raising the temperature and pressure in order to kill microorganisms. Moist heat kills more effectively than dry heat because the mass transfer of heat as steam condenses is very efficient. Therefore, if a load is contained within a bag or other enclosure, then the enclosure must not be tightly sealed (e.g., in the case of surgical instruments) or the enclosure must contain some water to ensure steam production (e.g., waste bags).

Sterilization and Disinfection Parameters

Use a minimum cycle time of 121-124°C (250-255°F), = 30 minutes,15 psi for the disinfection of medical waste. These parameters are required by the California Department of Public Health for the disinfection of medical waste. Items have to be hot enough for long enough in the presence of steam to disrupt protein structure. At 121°C, or 250°F, saturated steam destroys vegetative cells and endospores in a small volume (~100mL) within 10-12 min. Treatment must continue for a total of 30 minutes to provide a margin of safety. Sterilization of larger volumes will require a longer cycle time.

Source: UC Santa Barbara, Environmental Health and Safety

[Bonaparte]

Source: UC Santa Barbara, Environmental Health and Safety

None of that contradicts what I said.
I'm on my phone, so digging up articles to link to would be a pain, but think about it: do you think the water jumps from 100 C to 121 C instantly just by changing form?

[OdinsOtherSon]

None of that contradicts what I said.
I'm on my phone, so digging up articles to link to would be a pain, but think about it: do you think the water jumps from 100 C to 121 C instantly just by changing form?

Yes, I understand and totally agree. You are correct; however, the temp of pressurized steam is greater than that of boiling water.

[Twack]

No problem with second injection ?? I would not trash it. I think most probably you did something, don't know what but something wrong. Everyone else g2g and you only once. Hang on and see how it goes on another one. Why second thread on this Old mikey can't keep up. Anyway did you say this is a blend??? ...crazy mike

I might be off on the compound . Ok I'll back seat this one now ...cm

Crazy mike just trying to get used to this forum sorry...
Not a compound...straight test-e @350mg/ml by Xtreme Meds

[Twack]

Yes, I understand and totally agree. You are correct; however, the temp of pressurized steam is greater than that of boiling water.

Won't the heat damage the seal on the vials?

So far no issue with second injection done on Mon night...hope that's a good sign.

[Bonaparte]

Yes, I understand and totally agree. You are correct; however, the temp of pressurized steam is greater than that of boiling water.

Pressure and Boiling Points of Water

Boiling water at 1 atm, yes.
Boiling water at 2 atm is the same temp as steam at 2 atm (121 C).

[OdinsOtherSon]

Pressure and Boiling Points of Water

Boiling water at 1 atm, yes.
Boiling water at 2 atm is the same temp as steam at 2 atm (121 C).

I completely agree. Pressurized water will be the same temp as pressurized steam, just as boiling water at atmospheric pressure will have the same temp as steam at atmospheric pressure. I didn't mean to try to argue that...sorry for the confusion Bonaparte. The point I was trying to make is that all sterilization equipment, be it autoclave or a home pressure cooker, (specifically an autoclave)are built so that one can not place items to be sterilized directly into the water. I use an autoclave daily. The Thermo Orion brand we use is constructed in such a manner as to completely eliminate any possibility of exposing the items to be sterilized to the water. Further more, the autoclave will not hold enough water to submerge the items, only enough to generate the steam. The items to be sterilized must be placed on a tray and inserted into the device above the water for steam and pressure exposure. All home pressure cookers are supplied with an elevated rack on which to place items above the water for steam exposure. Many people choose to remove that rack, but that is not the intended use.

Sorry again for the confusion. I didn't mean to sound as if water could be different temps just because its physical properties had changed from liquid to gas.

[Twack]

Wont the heat damage or melt the seals? Since I already feel like a ass getting a infection it cant hurt to ask this too. Why not just place in boiling water?

[crazy mike]

Wont the heat damage or melt the seals? Since I already feel like a ass getting a infection it cant hurt to ask this too. Why not just place in boiling water?

IMOP as I said. You say no problem with second injection. Then don't fix what isn't broken. Leave it alone. No fuss no bother now. Also do not be embarrassed. This is how WE ALL learn, STUPID...ha ha Haaa joking stay cool I say. ...crazy mike

[Twack]

IMOP as I said. You say no problem with second injection. Then don't fix what isn't broken. Leave it alone. No fuss no bother now. Also do not be embarrassed. This is how WE ALL learn, STUPID...ha ha Haaa joking stay cool I say. ...crazy mike

Thanks Mike, gtg so far lined from a second vial again today moving along well. I asked two other guys running same product with the same lot number for over 10 weeks and they are loving it. So I pinned delt today we will see if that holds true again no issues and I just going to keep cruising...for now.

[Twack]

Update guys thanks for the help...went to dr for a follow up on the infection from the first injection...All clear!! Second and third infection all good no infections clearly not bad gear just bad procedure the first pin.
Top of thigh on second site was red and sore had a ultra sound today and found out I tore a muscle deep and it caused some bleeding nothing to do with the gear or pining tech. Pinned delt sore but only because I'm shaky still-lol I will have to work through that.

Again that's for the help guys!!!!!!

Going to post my next three cycle plan for review in a few.