Is there any advantages to different test types

**Josh and hurls** · 06-17-2013, 04:13 AM

Ok so I was just having a look around and figuring out all the AAS, I know that Test-E and Test-C are basically the exact same compound and either one can be used successfully for a first cycle if EVERYTHING is in check, but what's Test-P like for a first cycle?

Also all 3 of these should be taken with a HCT and an AI Such as arimidex is that correct?

PCT
Novladex

I want to know if PCT and HCT is easier for a first timer on either test c test e or prop?

Ihope that makes sense I'm using a crappy old phone and can barely see the words I'm typing .

**austinite** · 06-17-2013, 04:22 AM

Prop is fine. 2 reasons why folks tend to steer away from prop:

1. Prop requires more frequent injections. Every day, or every other day is needed.
2. Prop injections tend to lead to PID. (post injection discomfort)

Yes, test is test, so no matter the ester you still need hCG (not hCT, hCT is the abbreviation for Hematocrit) and you still need to control estrogen with an AI.

PCT should consist of both Nolvadex and Clomid. Administration and doses do not vary when using different esters. Dosages are dependant on your Test dose and your blood work. Your blood work will help determine your E2 sensitivity and what you'll need to dose your AI at to control it. the biggest mistake new cyclers make is to ignore blood work and play the guessing game. That's a surefire way to increase the chances of gynecomastia and other estrogen related issues.

Hope that helps.

**The Titan99** · 06-17-2013, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Prop is fine. 2 reasons why folks tend to steer away from prop:

1. Prop requires more frequent injections. Every day, or every other day is needed.
2. Prop injections tend to lead to PID. (post injection discomfort)

Yes, test is test, so no matter the ester you still need hCG (not hCT, hCT is the abbreviation for Hematocrit) and you still need to control estrogen with an AI.

PCT should consist of both Nolvadex and Tamoxifen. Administration and doses do not vary when using different esters. Dosages are dependant on your Test dose and your blood work. Your blood work will help determine your E2 sensitivity and what you'll need to dose your AI at to control it. the biggest mistake new cyclers make is to ignore blood work and play the guessing game. That's a surefire way to increase the chances of gynecomastia and other estrogen related issues.

Hope that helps.

I think you mean Nolvadex (aka Tamoxifen ) and clomid. Toremifen can also be used in place of clomid for better results and less sides

**austinite** · 06-17-2013, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by The Titan99

I think you mean Nolvadex (aka Tamoxifen) and clomid. Toremifen can also be used in place of clomid for better results and less sides

lol, yes. Thanks for catching that.

**Josh and hurls** · 06-17-2013, 07:29 AM

Thanks guys yet another question cleared up for me.....in very good style. In particular thanks Austinite your a like an encyclopaedia.

I have plenty more questions to ask

**RUDY 6** · 06-17-2013, 07:30 AM

I still am looking around to figure out my first cycle as well. Got my bloodwork the other day. Am fasted bw showed test in the 600 range. I'm 26,168,5'6.. 8 years exp. I take what the respected members say very seriously. And encourage anyone to do so

**clarky.** · 06-17-2013, 07:32 AM

Have a look at the beginner cycles that will help you out and go through the stickies for you first cycle go with test c /e long est to get used to pinning

**clarky.** · 06-17-2013, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by RUDY 6

I still am looking around to figure out my first cycle as well. Got my bloodwork the other day. Am fasted bw showed test in the 600 range. I'm 26,168,5'6.. 8 years exp. I take what the respected members say very seriously. And encourage anyone to do so

you should start your own thread mate you will get more help with your Q that way.

**crazy mike** · 06-17-2013, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by clarky.

you should start your own thread mate you will get more help with your Q that way.

^^^^ yep, yep, yep !!!

...crazy mike

**brahfx** · 06-17-2013, 09:04 AM

at austinite and everyone else: sorry this may be a noob question but why is PCT required with both clomid AND nolvadex ?? Atm I only have tamoxifen citrate on hand but have a long way to go until PCT and was wondering because friends told me simply nolva was fine on a 12 week cycle

**AsEpSiS** · 06-17-2013, 09:30 AM

Nolvadex and clomid both act through different pathways to aid in your recovery. Your friend's idea of nolva being "good enough" is foolish. Why take any chances of not fully recovering??

PCT is the most important part of any cycle.

Do yourself a favor, and take your buddy's advice with a grain of salt. Research, research...and when you're done....research some more.

This is serious stuff, don't "F" yourself up simply by being lazy or cheap.

**RUDY 6** · 06-21-2013, 07:45 AM

I've read some of the beginner cycles. And when I do it will be test only. Just looking for topics that interest me and trying to legitimatly get my status upto get the information I need.