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    osamabemakinggainz is offline New Member
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    First cycle help!


    hey guys i am 20 year old australian natural bodybuilder wanting to take things to the next level.
    i have been lifting for almost 5 years and have nutrition down to a T. consuming over 4000 calories for a bulk at a bodyweight of 87 kilos. (191 pounds) 5 ft 9 at about 10% bf.

    i am thinking of running a cycle of test400 1ml a week split into 2 injections by itself to assess tolerance and my body reaction. i have had some acne all through adolescence so i would expect a bit during the test.
    also was thinking of maybe running dianabol 35 ml/day.

    critics welcome, need good and bad reviews and advice.

    thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osamabemakinggainz View Post
    hey guys i am 20 year old australian natural bodybuilder wanting to take things to the next level.
    i have been lifting for almost 5 years and have nutrition down to a T. consuming over 4000 calories for a bulk at a bodyweight of 87 kilos. (191 pounds) 5 ft 9 at about 10% bf.

    i am thinking of running a cycle of test400 1ml a week split into 2 injections by itself to assess tolerance and my body reaction. i have had some acne all through adolescence so i would expect a bit during the test.
    also was thinking of maybe running dianabol 35 ml/day.

    critics welcome, need good and bad reviews and advice.

    thanks.
    Welcome.

    Bad news is, you're still very young, so cycling may cause long term damage to your endocrine system and you may halt your growth.

    Good news is, you're still very young, so you have plenty of time to diet properly, learn how to train properly, and grow naturally until you're ready. generally, your growth is complete around age 24, and that's a safe age to cycle.

    Spend some time in the nutrition section, let the pro's there critique your diet so that you can maximize on your results.

    Best of luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Welcome.

    Bad news is, you're still very young, so cycling may cause long term damage to your endocrine system and you may halt your growth.

    Good news is, you're still very young, so you have plenty of time to diet properly, learn how to train properly, and grow naturally until you're ready. generally, your growth is complete around age 24, and that's a safe age to cycle.

    Spend some time in the nutrition section, let the pro's there critique your diet so that you can maximize on your results.

    Best of luck.

    thank you, i am knowledgable in training and nutrition i won my natural bodybuilding competition. i want to take to the next level, is age such an issue if i have all the other aspects like training, nutrition, and il be getting tests by dr too.
    i have been using peptides on and off for about 12 weeks now. wanting to do a cycle and take it to the next level, so my question, is age really a big factor?

    thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osamabemakinggainz View Post
    thank you, i am knowledgable in training and nutrition i won my natural bodybuilding competition. i want to take to the next level, is age such an issue if i have all the other aspects like training, nutrition, and il be getting tests by dr too.
    i have been using peptides on and off for about 12 weeks now. wanting to do a cycle and take it to the next level, so my question, is age really a big factor?

    thanks.
    Well, I wish that our training and diet determined when our growth plates have fused. It would make things a lot easier. Unfortunately the only thing to do is to let time take it's course. You may have potential to grow wider and taller. You're 5'9" now, it would suck to stop there if you have potential for another 2 inches or so. Sure would make for a better base to build off of when you're ready for steroids .

    I've never met a 20 year old that's fully grown. If you want to confirm, you can get X-Rays done. That's my advice. I'm sure others will chime in soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Well, I wish that our training and diet determined when our growth plates have fused. It would make things a lot easier. Unfortunately the only thing to do is to let time take it's course. You may have potential to grow wider and taller. You're 5'9" now, it would suck to stop there if you have potential for another 2 inches or so. Sure would make for a better base to build off of when you're ready for steroids .

    I've never met a 20 year old that's fully grown. If you want to confirm, you can get X-Rays done. That's my advice.
    I'm sure others will chime in soon.

    thank you for your advice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Well, I wish that our training and diet determined when our growth plates have fused. It would make things a lot easier. Unfortunately the only thing to do is to let time take it's course. You may have potential to grow wider and taller. You're 5'9" now, it would suck to stop there if you have potential for another 2 inches or so. Sure would make for a better base to build off of when you're ready for steroids .

    I've never met a 20 year old that's fully grown. If you want to confirm, you can get X-Rays done. That's my advice. I'm sure others will chime in soon.
    I'm sure the 20 year olds hate being told over and over again that they're too young and should wait, but this was very succinctly put. And with logical reasoning that might give the young guys reason to sit back and think.... My endocrine system is bullet proof, but if there's a chance I could get taller....

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    As the young think, you also think you know a lot. Maybe you do, probably you do BUT what you don't know as Austin ~ has said is when your body has finished growing. You don't have a clue as to that. So if you screw with shutting down your system before it really knows how to work, how to grow you will prematurely stop it from getting into it's own rhythm (laymen's terms ) it will not grow farther or a least may not. But that will be the chance you take. Like ED or no children or jus not much testosterone naturally. Does that give you a better idea ?? ...crazy mike

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    But I can reboot my natural test with post cycle therapy can't I? Or won't they recover enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by osamabemakinggainz View Post
    But I can reboot my natural test with post cycle therapy can't I? Or won't they recover enough
    there's always a chance you may not recover after a cycle...

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Well, I wish that our training and diet determined when our growth plates have fused. It would make things a lot easier. Unfortunately the only thing to do is to let time take it's course. You may have potential to grow wider and taller. You're 5'9" now, it would suck to stop there if you have potential for another 2 inches or so. Sure would make for a better base to build off of when you're ready for steroids .

    I've never met a 20 year old that's fully grown. If you want to confirm, you can get X-Rays done. That's my advice. I'm sure others will chime in soon.
    Gotta say. Always nice to see ppl politely explain things to the younger people thinking of making a potentially life changing decision the risks without flaming.
    I'd suggest checking out the young and steroids sticky. Read up loads. Its your decision at the end of the day but you do still have a lot of spike I'm ur test levels and will more likely still increase for the next few years. You got any pics. Always good to see how well ppl are doing at tour age bracket and I think helps other found people realize where they can get without the use of aas.

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