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    advice in laymans terms please!

    Im 40, 12st, 12% bf and train 4xs week. My diet is good but im defo hard gainer. My 1st cycle is orob going to be 250sus every 4 days for 10 weeks.... is this any good and what pct do you recommend.

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    You should just do Test E 250mg twice a week. Sust is ok but it requires more frequent sticking to keep blood level stable. Nolvadex and Clomid are standard PCT.

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    Thanks!.... as for standard pct.... when and how much cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by chester101 View Post
    Thanks!.... as for standard pct.... when and how much cheers
    Generally Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/50/50/50. You start you PCT about 16 days after your last injection.

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    I take it the 40/40/20/20 ect is 40 ed for 2 weeks then 20 ed for 2 weeks. Many thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by chester101 View Post
    I take it the 40/40/20/20 ect is 40 ed for 2 weeks then 20 ed for 2 weeks. Many thanks
    That is correct.

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    Cheers. Much appreciated.

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    I think sust is fine bc such a small amount of it is short acting test and it is mostly test decanoate (which is longer acting than test enanthanate and cypionate . I think 3x a week (M, W, F) is a good dosing schedule for sust or eod but you can probably get away with every 3 days if you want. 500mg total per week is a good dose. Also you'll need hcg while on cycle (to sustain testicular function) at 250 to 500iu 2x per week and anastrozole 0.25mg eod for estrogen control.

    Standard PCT would be to start 2-3 weeks after your last injection of sust and consist of clomid 100/50/50/25 for 4 weeks and tamoxifen 40/20/20 20 for 4 weeks. In the 2 to 3 weeks in be your last injection and PCT u should continue the anastrozole (maybe lower it to 2 or 3x per wk) and the hcg (I would increase the dose then but most ppl here don't) and you'd stop the hcg when you start clomid and tamoxifen.

    Make sure you have everything before starting and some extra tamoxifen in case you develop gyno. I think that covers everything.

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