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    tattoodbruno is offline New Member
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    Seeking advice re: short break between 1st and 2nd cycle and tips on 2nd cycle stack

    Hi there,

    I am just finishing up my first 12-week cycle as follows:

    Weeks 1-12:
    - Test E: 375 twice a week (750 / week)
    - Proviron 50 mg / day

    Weeks 1-8
    - Dbol : 30 mg / day

    It was a fairly simple stack / program and it brought some good results. I am 45; 6' tall (ectomorph). I have weighed about 180 for the past 20 years (with working out regularly the past 10). With this cycle I reached almost 200 (starting at 177; that was about 20 lbs). I workout 4-5 days per week on a 3-day split plus one overall body workout for a total of 4-day workout routine. I change up the excercises to keep my body guessing but keeping in some of the old-faithful excercises (squats, presses, etc..).

    I would like to take a short 4-week break and start a second cycle. As I understand from some research, that if you take a short break then don't go on PCT because switching to a PCT for only 4 weeks is stressful to your body and by just taking the 4 weeks off, I can easily go back on another 12 week cycle. I plan on taking a full PCT break after cycle 2 for a full 12 weeks off.

    Question #1: Am I on the right track to take a 4-week, NO PCT, break if I plan on doing another 12-week; then take a full 12-week break with a proper PCT?

    Question #2: Can someone recommend a good 2nd cycle stack? I was thinking a combo of Test Prop / Deca / Dbol with Proviron. Is this an ok stack? or would it make better sense to throw in Tren instead of Deca?

    Question #3: My partner is also running the same cycle but he is prone to bloating and has taken armidex on-cycle. Would he be better with a Prop / Tren / Dbol while I (who have no body fat) better with Prop / Deca and dbol?


    Thanks in advance of any suggestions / feedback.

    Bruno.

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    1. No. You need to wait longer. Otherwise you would need to perform a super aggressive PCT and hinder recovery.
    2. Repeat the one you did. Don't fix what's not broken.
    3. Tell your buddy to join, he's better to answer questions we have.

    You have any blood work you'd like to share?
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    I think the risk of having a 4 week break then jumping on another cycle far out weigh the benefits you will get. Your talking about being shut down for 28 weeks at least. Trt could become a possibility after such a cycle. Plus it's not really two cycles its one large cycle

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    Agree with guys!

    Take it slow man, no point to rush it a fvck yourself up!

    Don't run dbol more than 4weeks IMO.

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    Time on +pct= time off.

    That formula is there for a reason.

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    Thanks for the advice - much appreciated.

    No blood work yet - but I get regular work done. Buddy is my husband so I'm pretty close to knowing his stuff as well

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    Hey there guys and gals. I wanted to post a quote from this site (article under "Post Cycle Therapy " which prompted my question:

    "When to Implement a PCT Plan
    It should go without saying; the time to implement post cycle therapy is when all anabolic steroid use has come to an end; this is a given; however, it’s not quite that black and white. If you’re going to be off-cycle for only a short period of time, a PCT plan can be counterproductive and cause even more stress to the body. Remember what we said above; limiting stress is extremely important. If you’re only going to be off-cycle for a short period of time, there’s no reason to stimulate your natural production when you’re going to immediately shut it down again; talk about a shock the body does not appreciate. For this reason, a post cycle therapy period should only be implemented when we’re going to be off-cycle for an extended period of time; meaning, no anabolic androgenic steroids will be present in our system. Of course, the next order of business is to define an extended period of time, and twelve weeks is a good place to start. If you’re going to be off-cycle less than 12 weeks, while you will lose some of your gains they will come back shortly once you go back on-cycle. Conversely, if you’re going to be off-cycle longer than 12 weeks, it’s time for a PCT plan for the reasons discussed above. It must be noted; this time frame of “off-cycle” does not include the PCT period; off means off everything."


    any comments on this paragraph that discusses NOT doing a PCT on a short break?

    Thanks Bruno.

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    Yeah it's extremely outdated.

    Any knowledgable member will tell you this isn't correct unless your in extreme circumstances such as trt or wanting to compete (blast and cruise)

    Health is priority when it comes to AAS let's not forget these are hormones we are messing around with and if you get it wrong or take your body for granted your f****d

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    Quote Originally Posted by tattoodbruno View Post
    Thanks for the advice - much appreciated.

    No blood work yet - but I get regular work done. Buddy is my husband so I'm pretty close to knowing his stuff as well
    Ok. Please provide his complete stats
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