Normal gains for a Test Dbol cycle?

[RandomGuy77]

I am currently on the third week of my 12 week cycle (tomorrow is my fourth jab)

Running:
Week 1-6: Dbol 40mg (10mg on waking, 20mg pre workout, 10mg post workout)
Week 1-12: Test E 500mg
Nolva on hand for gyno (and eventually for pct starting week 14: 40-40-20-20ed)

So this is my first cycle and am gaining more than I expected from the whole cycle with HUGE strength gains already..

Starting stats:
Age: 25
Height: 5ft 10
Weight: 205 pound
bf%: 13/14

Day before fourth jab (fourth week):
Weight: 225 pound
bf%: 13/14

That's 20 pounds in 3 weeks? This is my first cycle, I know it is mostly water retention from the dbol as the test has not yet kicked in (although am starting to feel it already), but is 20 pounds normal gain this early? Just high purity gear and a good reaction to it?

I am taking shit tons of vitamin C, BCAAs, omega 3 tablets, multivitamins, zinc and milk thistle for liver. - Some debate on whether vit c, extra bcaas (as you get it from food) and zinc makes a difference but no harm in it right?

My diet macros are 40:40:20 all in check - Hungry all the time.

[Gaspaco]

All water buddy!

[GrimmReaper]

Agreed, lots of water. Time will really tell once you drop the dbol - makes you hold a ton of water...

[Back In Black]

No AI?

[RandomGuy77]

Hmm mostly water then.. just wondered even for water retention I thought 20lbs is pretty high - yeah I heard mixed reviews on taking AIs, some say they have never use them, others say why would you take the risk not using them.. The way I figure if I start seeing symptoms of gyno i'll take 20mg of nolva ed till it clears

[Gaspaco]

Hmm mostly water then.. just wondered even for water retention I thought 20lbs is pretty high - yeah I heard mixed reviews on taking AIs, some say they have never use them, others say why would you take the risk not using them.. The way I figure if I start seeing symptoms of gyno i'll take 20mg of nolva ed till it clears

Nolva is not an AI

[Back In Black]

What's your bf%?

[qscgugcsq]

takes arimidex .25mg EOD you'll see the water leave your body.

But you are right some never use AI and do not have gyno... But gyno is far from being the only side to high E2.

Read a bit about it... you'll apologize to your heart for what you are making him endure...

good luck!

[Chx beach 79]

I would never cycle without a AI and gyno is the least of my worries. Having unbalanced estrogen can cause a ton of problems.

[RandomGuy77]

What's your bf%?

Around 13/14% I'd say...

[RandomGuy77]

Nolva is not an AI

I never said it was, it does not stop test converting to estrogen but can be used if gyno occurs.. Sure the estrogen build up may produce some sides like bloating increased bp and water retention - could that be the reason i've gained so much (as i'm not taking an AI)?

Btw now up to 208 pounds

[Live for the PUMP]

Your true test is not what you gain on cycle, but what you end up with after the cycle.

[XxAndreaxX]

I wasn't using any AI or nolva the first 2 weeks on d-bol, and gained rough 3-4kg, and gyno flared up like crazy. so the 3th week I had even 5 kg on me, and as soon as I started Aromasin , I lost 2 kg in 1 week, but gyno is getting away. I should have used nolva until tren E kicked in, but anyways, it was a matter of time, as soon as you start an AI, you'll loose all the water. IMO, Dbol should be used with a non 19-nor compound, that gives you the possibility to use nolva and have incredible gains, although all water, but man, If you're veeery low on BF, and want to put on some real size only for aesthetical reasons, Dbol, test and nolva and adex at the end, seems to be the key