Orals Only?

**alexistheboss15** · 07-05-2013, 04:37 AM

If a person had access to only oral steroids , what would you guys take? Money is no issue, first cycle.

**kronik420** · 07-05-2013, 04:44 AM

id wait until i had access to testosterone ...

**alexistheboss15** · 07-05-2013, 04:46 AM

Reason being the suppressiveness of compounds such as Anavar , and it being healthier to supplement with extra test to copy the bodies natural levels to attempt to cancel out side effects?

Or what reason?

What steroids would one take for FITNESS.
Not bodybuilding, not powerlifting, but a Greg Plitt type thing, but extremely fit.

To be able to workout 4hrs+ etc, basically Crossfit, but with perfect form.

**austinite** · 07-05-2013, 04:47 AM

Money is no issue means you'd have access to everything.

**alexistheboss15** · 07-05-2013, 04:54 AM

No, because taking non-pill roids on a plane is impossible.

**Back In Black** · 07-05-2013, 04:56 AM

At 18 years old this is rather a moot point, don't you think?

**alexistheboss15** · 07-05-2013, 05:03 AM

I didn't say I was going to do it now. I'm not experienced enough.

Ok I am seriously sick of this.
I think you people need to change your mind set.

I am 18 years old, I realize I am too young, but I want to start learning.

IT TAKES YEARSSSS to master anything, and I want to know EVERYTHING before taking such a substance, so that I do it perfectly.
So please stop bashing my age, since I am not planning to take anything right now, I am just trying to start learning properly so that I can make an informed decision later on.

**Chx beach 79** · 07-05-2013, 05:04 AM

You can't take anything without a testosterone base... If you do you will throw off your hormones, not if, but will throw of hormones... In turn it will cause more harm then good... Good Luck!

**Back In Black** · 07-05-2013, 05:06 AM

Chill out kid!

So you are researching orals only because you know that in 7 years that is all you will have access to? And you know that you will need to fly with them in 7 years?

Spend some more time in the nutrition forum (calculate your macro's correctly too) and lots of time in the lifting section. Maybe post up your current weight gain plan and your current workout in the respective sections.

**Permabulk** · 07-05-2013, 05:07 AM

Orals only cycle would be: "Completely natty, because I'm not going to do an oral only cycle like a retard."

Is the only correct answer.

**Chx beach 79** · 07-05-2013, 05:12 AM

Yeah didn't catch that! At 18 you are putting yourself at a very high risk for messing up your endocrine system for life... If you don't like needles now and you mess up your endocrine, you will be injecting yourself constantly until you die!!! Your body still has tons of natural testosterone at that age... No need for AAS, diet is king even if you are taking steroids . Post your diet up in the nutrition section and let the experts critique it. Good Luck!

**alexistheboss15** · 07-05-2013, 05:16 AM

I never said I would wait until 25, I said I would wait, was planning to see where I could get natty, and if by 20-21 I was not satisfied, to use.

And I just wanted some information, about oral only cycles, are they really that bad? Why so? And why is everyone here against them?

i mean for bodybuilders sure you cannot get the size you need from oral only, but for a fitness athlete, why would Anavar only for example be that bad?

**kronik420** · 07-05-2013, 05:22 AM

what you mean by 'fitness athlete' ???

**Bio-Active** · 07-05-2013, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by alexistheboss15

I never said I would wait until 25, I said I would wait, was planning to see where I could get natty, and if by 20-21 I was not satisfied, to use.

And I just wanted some information, about oral only cycles, are they really that bad? Why so? And why is everyone here against them?

i mean for bodybuilders sure you cannot get the size you need from oral only, but for a fitness athlete, why would Anavar only for example be that bad?

All the information you are looking for is in the stickys. Read the beginner steroid cycles, pct stickys and the search function is a great tool.

**Chx beach 79** · 07-05-2013, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by alexistheboss15

I never said I would wait until 25, I said I would wait, was planning to see where I could get natty, and if by 20-21 I was not satisfied, to use.

And I just wanted some information, about oral only cycles, are they really that bad? Why so? And why is everyone here against them?

i mean for bodybuilders sure you cannot get the size you need from oral only, but for a fitness athlete, why would Anavar only for example be that bad?

It's because anavar only will make your body stop producing testosterone ,(to an extent) that's why you need a test base. If you don't have a test base it won't work effectively. So you are putting your endocrine system at high risk for no gain.. I hope that makes sense...

**alexistheboss15** · 07-05-2013, 11:50 AM

This is what I am not sure about, I understand the concept but to me it makes no logical sense.

You take test, to mimic your bodies test levels, but a few things don't add up:
1. It doesn't have the same natural combination u produce
2. It is exogenous, and no matter how well it mimics it, your actual HTPA production will still be shut down
3. Wouldn't adding more steroids further damage your endocrine system

Adding testosterone , logically should only cancel out side effects of having low testosterone , so like erectile dysfunction, possibly acne or whatever, but it shouldn't cancel out the HTPA issue that anavar caused because it too, is exogenous.

Where am I going wrong in my thinking?

**Back In Black** · 07-05-2013, 12:01 PM

Orals are suppressive. Some more than others but you cannot gamble on how much. You will still need to run a PCT and still run the risk of permanent damage. You want to be in your mid 20's (21 is still too young!) on an oral only cycle and have symptoms of low testosterone , no libido, erectile dysfunction, sleep problems, low energy, lethargy, irritable?

Can you clarify, as requested, fitness athlete please?

**Sledgehammer1** · 07-05-2013, 03:33 PM

Anyone who has run an oral only cycle will tell you that they lost most/all the gains they made during the cycle. Testosterone is used as a base of all cycles because you need to be able to function as a man. Without T (same symptoms as low T) you will have no libido, cant have an erection, you will become depressed, no energy, and so on. At an age younger than 25, you are still growing. Putting exogenous testosterone into the body will signal your growth plates to stop growing. The supplemental T shuts you down, natural T levels drop, The body sees it as the end of pueberty. During this time, you natural T levels are higher than at any other time in your life. That's why its recommended to wait and to take advantage of this time. Its a no brainer.

**Money Talks** · 07-05-2013, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by alexistheboss15

If a person had access to only oral steroids, what would you guys take? Money is no issue, first cycle.

You may want to just stick with whey protein, creatine, fish oil, and a good multivitamin. I made great progress with those and there were no injections necessary.

If money is no issue, you should have no worries with proper diet/nutrition. I would eat T-bone steak every night.

**nafnlaus** · 07-05-2013, 07:19 PM

a single tablet of Anavar 10mg costs 20 $. on this site youll find common dosage is up from 40-80mg per day. Cycles are maybe from 5-10 weeks. Thats 80-160 per day, per week 560-1020, per month 2240-4480.

Is money still no issue?