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been on hrt for 4 years it all ends up the same,levels go high and for a while its great then the e2 goes up n i get ed and no drive my endro refuses to give me an ai so im kinda stuck .is it safe to use ai with heart disease (2 stents) and if not any idea s what i can do to keep test up n e2 downrite now on 500ius 2xweek thanx
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Welcome.
I have no idea to be honest, but I do know that increased estrogen is not good for any cardiovascular disease. What's your protocol? Are you hCG only? You male or female?
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ad im in good shap not alot of fat at all last time i got tested was round 11
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wow, thats excellent shape, i would say.Originally Posted by dmoney10
11% is way lower than the average male.
btw, what total T value are you aiming for? what levels could you reach with the gel and the IM and with hcg now? at what levels of total T does your E become too high?
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male 51 was on everything from andogel to testim to enathanate(100mg)wk now hcg mono 500iu 2xwk i know my e2 goes up on what ever i use so do i buy an ai or deal with the hi e2 whats less threating to the heart
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high bf% will increase aromatase activity. what is your current bf%? losing some weight might help.
Junior Member
thanx for reply male 51 was on androgel than enanthanate 100mg a week now they are try me on hcg mono 500iu 2x week it seem s to all end up the same way and i gotta keep my levels but im kinda stuck btween rock n hard place
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Can you please repost this in out TRT section?
Hormone Replacement Therapy - Low Testosterone Treatment, Anti-Aging
I'd like to get the attention of a few specialists.
AD, you too!
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thanx austinite much appreciated
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what happened? i didnt do it! it wasn't me!
Junior Member
on andro gel 1 tube i went up to 900 on enanthanate 100mg 1xwk went to 1200 now it took 2 years for me to taalk dr into testn e2 it came back 53 one time 90 shortly after that on the hcg havnt bin tested yet but i have had so many blood labs done to try to fig this out i kiinda know where im at b4 i get result id say in the 500 range now when i stop cause i feel like crap when i get in the 300s i perfect
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how do you feel at 500+? estro will get proportionally higher if your total T is higher. so one solution is to not aim too high.
that said, i couldn't find any evidence of AI directly causing heart attacks. indirectly, it can cause worsening of cholesterol. so if you have your heart risk factors under control (bp, blood sugar, cholesterol, smoking), i think its quite safe to run a low dose of ai where necessary.
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thanx for info ad much appreciated at 500 fell pretty good n everything working pretty good but a week ago it was running great do you think i can get away with 025 of arimadex 2x wk im onlipitor thatl keep the cholestrol down but i do have concerns of high rbc even tho im on plavix n asprin my labs on the rbc come bach on upper average side
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0.25mg 2x/wk of arimidex is quite a safe dose. should be fine.
continue your lipitor and monitor cholesterol levels regularly.
rbc is again related to high total T. if you keep T around 500, you may have fewer problems with rbc compared to when you have T around 1000. but as long as rbc and hematocrit(packed cell volume) is within normal range, i won't worry. (btw, aspirin and plavix do not lower rbc. you may have to donate blood to directly reduce rbc)
Junior Member
think ill run that and i appreciate all the info one last question do ya think i should lower my hcg dosage to insure i keep my test levels below 700
Knowledgeable Member
Yes i think you should aim for a conservative level of T between 500-700. But its really hard to say how much hcg you will need to stay in this range. May need some time to titrate to the right dose.
Junior Member
im gonna drop for a couple weeks and see how goes , again appreciate all the info i think if i get the e2 under control all will be good it s wierd when im at 800 and above im in sick shape single diget bodyfat 8 pack all without traning hard i just get the sexual problems but when im in the 3 to 5 range everythings great real wierd
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