Novice Cycle 1 Help

**BreezyB** · 07-10-2013, 11:31 AM

Need some help here as I am new.
Getting some Test E and Dbol from a buddies source.
Problem is his source only has 50mg Dbol vs 25mg(novice cycle 1 on this site says to use 25).
They are capsules so I cant split it in half like a tablet. Will this be ok?
Thanks guys!

**Bio-Active** · 07-10-2013, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by BreezyB

Need some help here as I am new.
Getting some Test E and Dbol from a buddies source.
Problem is his source only has 50mg Dbol vs 25mg(novice cycle 1 on this site says to use 25).
They are capsules so I cant split it in half like a tablet. Will this be ok?
Thanks guys!

Can you list out your stats? I see you are 29. Training experience, bf, nutrition plan?

**BreezyB** · 07-10-2013, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

Can you list out your stats? I see you are 29. Training experience, bf, nutrition plan?

Played sports all my life. I sat on my ass since graduating in 2001.
In February i joined a crossfit gym and got in shape. Went from 156lbs to 144lbs. Looked good but but wanted to put on more muscle. Plus crossfit was to expensive and to far of a drive. I quit and started straight lifting at a gym that i luckily have free access to. Thats pretty much it. Any more info needed?

I am a smoker but and working to rid that shit.
My diet is in check but can always improve.
Im 5 foot 7 inch

**Bio-Active** · 07-10-2013, 12:15 PM

So you are 5"7 and 144lbs? I think you could achieve your goals with a good nutrition plan. If you choose to run a cycle you will more than likely loose your gains if your nutrition isn't spot on. How is your nutrition?

**Capebuffalo** · 07-10-2013, 12:15 PM

[QUOTE=BreezyB;6609183]Played sports all my life. I sat on my ass since graduating in 2001.
In February i joined a crossfit gym and got in shape. Went from 156lbs to 144lbs. Looked good but but wanted to put on more muscle. Plus crossfit was to expensive and to far of a drive. I quit and started straight lifting at a gym that i luckily have free access to. Thats pretty much it. Any more info needed?

I am a smoker but and working to rid that shit.
My diet is in check but can always improve.
Im 5 foot 7 inch[/

Never mind.

**BreezyB** · 07-10-2013, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

So you are 5"7 and 144lbs? I think you could achieve your goals with a good nutrition plan. If you choose to run a cycle you will more than likely loose your gains if your nutrition isn't spot on. How is your nutrition?

Nutrition is dam good.
Chicken
Beef
Veggies
Pork
Some tuna
Over 200 grams on protien

No fast food or soda

Only thing i drink is water and a few brews here and there.

My biggest issue is trying to eat more.

CapeBuffalo- nevermind what?

**Bio-Active** · 07-10-2013, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by BreezyB

Nutrition is dam good.
Chicken
Beef
Veggies
Pork
Some tuna
Over 200 grams on protien

No fast food or soda

Only thing i drink is water and a few brews here and there.

My biggest issue is trying to eat more.

CapeBuffalo- nevermind what?

Do you know your daily macros? If your having a hard time eating enough using aas to get bigger is not a good idea. You have to be able to eat enough to support the new tissue growth. You will have to be able to dedicate more time to eating with it without aas to achieve your goals. Eating and preparing food for most of us is a full time job.

**Chx beach 79** · 07-10-2013, 12:32 PM

Healthy eating is great but not the same as eating to build muscle... Eating healthy is a good start but the nutrition section will have information to incorporate that into bulking up. As far as the dbol , I don't like it. Also I have not heard of 50 Mgs. Pills. That doesn't mean they don't have them I have just never dealt with them.

Good luck!

**johnC80** · 07-10-2013, 12:50 PM

Smoking sure isn't helping you with weight gain either. Stop.

**thehor** · 07-10-2013, 12:52 PM

indeed. I am on a cycle now and I am eating 3500 cals a day and its so hard to eat every 2 hours.

**Capebuffalo** · 07-10-2013, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by BreezyB

Nutrition is dam good.
Chicken
Beef
Veggies
Pork
Some tuna
Over 200 grams on protien

No fast food or soda

Only thing i drink is water and a few brews here and there.

My biggest issue is trying to eat more.

CapeBuffalo- nevermind what?

I didn't see your weight and height. Then saw it. So never mind.

**BreezyB** · 07-10-2013, 01:10 PM

Im eating 2800-3000 a day and it sucks balls. I prep my foods Sundays and Wensday nights.

Hate it!

So im still stuck if i should order 25's from someone else and wait or go with the 50's.

**Chx beach 79** · 07-10-2013, 01:21 PM

50 Mgs is not a uncommon dose... Especially if ran a short amount of time. Is this your first cycle?

**Bio-Active** · 07-10-2013, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by BreezyB

Im eating 2800-3000 a day and it sucks balls. I prep my foods Sundays and Wensday nights.

Hate it!

So im still stuck if i should order 25's from someone else and wait or go with the 50's.

I am not suggesting that you cycle but it sounds like you are going to anyway. Your first cycle should be test only. If you get sides you won't know which compound is causing them otherwise. Test only for the first run 10-12 weeks for longer esters. You will need an AI alongside and should run hcg during the cycle. Don't forget to set up a good pct and please make sure you have EVERYTHING before starting.

**BreezyB** · 07-10-2013, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Chx beach 79

50 Mgs is not a uncommon dose... Especially if ran a short amount of time. Is this your first cycle?

Yes it is. The reference i am using says 25mg a day for the first 6 weeks.
Was debating 50 for 3 weeks.

Seeing Jims post made me think. So here is another question.
if I were to have really bad bloating or gyno how soon would i expect to see those side effects. Thinking about ordering armidex this friday just incase. Obviously i wont see it at my door step for a week or two into my cycle.

Thanks all. I appreciate you taking the time to help.

**Capebuffalo** · 07-10-2013, 01:59 PM

You should run an AI regardless through your cycle.

**Chx beach 79** · 07-10-2013, 02:01 PM

I would seriously consider test only your first cycle, it will do wonders... If you take dbol also you won't know what is doing what. IMO the dbol will be a waste. It is safer and more responsible to run test only and there will be less sides. Test will do heaps for you if you have never cycled! Always run a AI, symptoms can arise anytime. Gyno can flare up overnight in some people. I hope this helps! Also dbol murders your liver! Not like they say alcohol is bad and years later it causes damage, dbol can do it quick!(Within weeks in some cases) That is why most serious body builders do injectable steroids . Also I think dbol sucks I have used but it just put bloat on me.

Just my 2 cents, good luck!

**BreezyB** · 07-10-2013, 02:12 PM

Thanks all.
Not im jus pissed at myself for not reasearching more.
Already waited 2.5 weeks for this to come in and now will have to wait for another 2 for the lAI. Guess Ill take the loss on the 50s.

Looking a little better before i went to the beach for vacation just went down the drain.

Thanks again for the advice

**Chx beach 79** · 07-10-2013, 02:17 PM

Better safe then sorry... You are doing the right thing, you will be glad you did in the long run! Keep researching and learning in the meantime.

It's better then going to the beach with man boobs! Lol

**Bio-Active** · 07-10-2013, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by BreezyB

Thanks all.
Not im jus pissed at myself for not reasearching more.
Already waited 2.5 weeks for this to come in and now will have to wait for another 2 for the lAI. Guess Ill take the loss on the 50s.

Looking a little better before i went to the beach for vacation just went down the drain.

Thanks again for the advice

A couple more weeks isn't that big of a deal really when you consider doing things right. Just hold I to the dbol for a future cycle and don't think of it as a waste

**largerthannormal** · 07-10-2013, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

So you are 5"7 and 144lbs? I think you could achieve your goals with a good nutrition plan. If you choose to run a cycle you will more than likely loose your gains if your nutrition isn't spot on. How is your nutrition?

If i had to make an educated guess this is what will happen,

the foods you have selected are okay, some not so okay

200 grams protein would equate to 800 cals meaning you over 2000 cals coming from carbs and fats.

you would have to be a bit higher to get a good split bro with out slabbin on sloppy weight.

just my two cents when we mean nutrition plan we mean each meal and amount and broken up in macros to ensure you will be gaining the weight you want.

aas is a great tool but not as great as food.

Dont mean to come off wrong just trying to help

**Capebuffalo** · 07-10-2013, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

If i had to make an educated guess this is what will happen,

the foods you have selected are okay, some not so okay

200 grams protein would equate to 880 cals meaning you over 2000 cals coming from carbs and fats.

you would have to be a bit higher to get a good split bro with out slabbin on sloppy weight.

just my two cents when we mean nutrition plan we mean each meal and amount and broken up in macros to ensure you will be gaining the weight you want.

aas is a great tool but not as great as food.

Dont mean to come off wrong just trying to help

Well said. Nice post.

**BreezyB** · 07-11-2013, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

If i had to make an educated guess this is what will happen,

the foods you have selected are okay, some not so okay

200 grams protein would equate to 800 cals meaning you over 2000 cals coming from carbs and fats.

you would have to be a bit higher to get a good split bro with out slabbin on sloppy weight.

just my two cents when we mean nutrition plan we mean each meal and amount and broken up in macros to ensure you will be gaining the weight you want.

aas is a great tool but not as great as food.

Dont mean to come off wrong just trying to help

Not at all and i appreciate the help. My diet is alot more complex than that. Im on my iphone and i think we can all agree that it would take me a month to type out my daily diet. There is much more to it.

So, the cycle reference i found said i could take 10mg of nolvidex a day to curb the side effects and block the estrogen. Would this route be ok or wait for a straight AI?