Cycle

**youngchevy266** · 07-12-2013, 04:31 PM

Do i have to take testoserone-enanthate for a cycle or can i just take dianabol and nelvadex which would be a 11 week cycle

**ChiveOn** · 07-12-2013, 04:41 PM

You should always take test, no matter what ester, as a base for a cycle. Taking any AAS will shut down your natural test production. Additionally, nolva is used for pct not an AI. And dbol can't be run for 11wks. No oral should be, too liver toxic
Read the stickeys you seem to have a lot to learn before you start anything.
Also, stats?
Height
Weight
Body fat %
Age
Goals
Training experience
Cycle experience? None I'm hoping

**youngchevy266** · 07-12-2013, 04:46 PM

Im saying that i would take the dbol for the 6 weeks wait 2 weeks then start the nelva
Is there a test in tablet form?

**Iron-56** · 07-12-2013, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by youngchevy266

Im saying that i would take the dbol for the 6 weeks wait 2 weeks then start the nelva
Is there a test in tablet form?

Taking any oral for longer than 4-5 weeks could potentially damage your liver. You could take the dbol for the first 4 weeks of your long ester test cycle as a "kick-start" but I do not recommend that because in the case that you experience bad side effects, you will not know which compound is doing what. It is therefore best to stick with just testosterone for your first cycle. Yes, there is such a thing as testosterone in tablet form. It is called testosterone undecanoate or Andriol (Andriol - Steroid .com)

**youngchevy266** · 07-12-2013, 05:29 PM

I was just thinking of doing a single cycle and I should take andriol for about 5 weeks then wait 2 weeks then take nolva for 3 weeks correct?

**Capebuffalo** · 07-12-2013, 05:58 PM

Your 19 no steroids for you

**drake4243** · 07-12-2013, 06:04 PM

Orals are never worth taking in my opinion. also it really sounds like your not close to ready for anything anyways. I suggest throw everything in the trash then learn how to eat right lift hard and read about what your next step should be in a couple years safely. It is not magic and it sounds like you’re just going to end up hurting yourself real bad

**youngchevy266** · 07-12-2013, 06:07 PM

Im not 19 any more Im 21

**youngchevy266** · 07-12-2013, 06:09 PM

I havnt updated my profile in a couple years

**Capebuffalo** · 07-12-2013, 06:18 PM

Still no

**Chx beach 79** · 07-12-2013, 06:26 PM

I'm out

**hughjarms** · 07-12-2013, 06:58 PM

Steroids are fine for you at 21 man. Afterall, what is the difference between 21 and 25?

Nothing except a bit of life experience

Since this is your first cycle, you gotta hit it hard.
I would recommend test e at 1g a week for 12 weeks

if you want an oral kicker, add in dbol at 75mg ED.

You have to fully saturate your receptors, so you will gain the most.

**bdos** · 07-12-2013, 07:01 PM

Umm 4 years lol

**hughjarms** · 07-12-2013, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by bdos900

Umm 4 years lol

Exactly. 4 years where you could be cycling and gaining FAR more mass than everyone who doesn't, and with little consequences too

**bdos** · 07-12-2013, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by hughjarms

Exactly. 4 years where you could be cycling and gaining FAR more mass than everyone who doesn't, and with little consequences too

You really dont get the idea that the guys on here provide sound advice and dont just give the poster the answers they want to hear without knowing their background so the correct advice is given even if its not what they want to hear its the best advice

**hughjarms** · 07-12-2013, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by bdos900

You really dont get the idea that the guys on here provide sound advice and dont just give the poster the answers they want to hear without knowing their background so the correct advice is given even if its not what they want to hear its the best advice

Yep. So what is wrong with starting at 21, may i ask?

**bdos** · 07-12-2013, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by hughjarms

Yep. So what is wrong with starting at 21, may i ask?

Damaging your endocrine system

**hughjarms** · 07-12-2013, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by bdos900

Damaging your endocrine system

Whats the difference between starting at 25, compared to starting at 21?

Do you have any scientific studies relating to this, drawing the conclusion that there is a marked difference between AAS use at 21 and 25

**ChiveOn** · 07-12-2013, 07:54 PM

Stop trolling and giving bad advice. Jesus... Ban this turd already

**Gabeanator** · 07-12-2013, 07:54 PM

Whatever arbitrary difference there may be in the development of your endocrine system between 21 and 25 pales in comparison to the four years you would lose being natty during this time. Seriously, look at it from a risk-reward standpoint. Are there any risks from starting gear at a younger age? Possible but unlikely. "Endocrine damage" is a term thrown around by people who have no evidence to back it up, it's usually pretty damn theoretical. The gains you'll get? Pretty damn real. Ideally, start much earlier than 21. Like many great bodybuilders have

**hughjarms** · 07-12-2013, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Gabeanator

Whatever arbitrary difference there may be in the development of your endocrine system between 21 and 25 pales in comparison to the four years you would lose being natty during this time. Seriously, look at it from a risk-reward standpoint. Are there any risks from starting gear at a younger age? Possible but unlikely. "Endocrine damage" is a term thrown around by people who have no evidence to back it up, it's usually pretty damn theoretical. The gains you'll get? Pretty damn real. Ideally, start much earlier than 21. Like many great bodybuilders have

Arnold started at 16.

I think his endocrine system screwed up and that's why he cheated on his wife

But 21 is a ok

**bdos** · 07-12-2013, 08:01 PM

I thought i had a narrow mind but man your view on this is a thin as a peice of hair. If this is how you choose to see it that fine but not how we do it around here.

**hughjarms** · 07-12-2013, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by bdos900

I thought i had a narrow mind but man your view on this is a thin as a peice of hair. If this is how you choose to see it that fine but not how we do it around here.

How old are you

What have you run before

**austinite** · 07-12-2013, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by hughjarms

Arnold started at 16.

I think his endocrine system screwed up and that's why he cheated on his wife

But 21 is a ok

wow. You're about as smart as a box of rocks.

**Gabeanator** · 07-12-2013, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

wow. You're about as smart as a box of rocks.

You do realize he's being sarcastic, right?

**FONZY007** · 07-12-2013, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Gabeanator

Whatever arbitrary difference there may be in the development of your endocrine system between 21 and 25 pales in comparison to the four years you would lose being natty during this time. Seriously, look at it from a risk-reward standpoint. Are there any risks from starting gear at a younger age? Possible but unlikely. "Endocrine damage" is a term thrown around by people who have no evidence to back it up, it's usually pretty damn theoretical. The gains you'll get? Pretty damn real. Ideally, start much earlier than 21. Like many great bodybuilders have

Are u serious....

I started at 20 and a half by the time I was at 26 bam started to feel fatigued and losing hair like no tomorrow..been on TrT since I was 27 and it took like 3 years for it to be dialed in cuz my endo was a dummy....

I was already a big guy, 5'11" 225lbs around 16% no I needed more and nothing won't happen to me... Shit my balls didn't shrink till I was 26 also!!

Endocrine don't mature to around 24-25 years old... I suppressed mine by using AAS...

I say REAL life experience is better than theory in my opinion!!

There are numerous guys on this forum especially in the hrt threads that the same thing happened to them...

Listen or don't, if I could go back I would!!!

**bdos** · 07-12-2013, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by hughjarms

How old are you

What have you run before

23, iv ran 100m and 800m in school how about you?

**Gabeanator** · 07-12-2013, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by FONZY007

Are u serious....

I started at 20 and a half by the time I was at 26 bam started to feel fatigued and losing hair like no tomorrow..been on TrT since I was 27 and it took like 3 years for it to be dialed in cuz my endo was a dummy....

I was already a big guy, 5'11" 225lbs around 16% no I needed more and nothing won't happen to me... Shit my balls didn't shrink till I was 26 also!!

Endocrine don't mature to around 24-25 years old... I suppressed mine by using AAS...

I say REAL life experience is better than theory in my opinion!!

There are numerous guys on this forum especially in the hrt threads that the same thing happened to them...

Listen or don't, if I could go back I would!!!

You did start at 16% bodyfat, that's pretty high tbh. Probably should've started leaner, you certainly wouldn't have been as fatigued. Did you keep estrogen in balance with an AI? Did you ever go off test at any point?

As for losing hair, that has nothing to do with your age or the endocrine system. It has to do with your scalp being genetically sensitive to androgens. Actually, this gets worse with age. You're much more likely to juice yourself bald at 30 than 20

**FONZY007** · 07-12-2013, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Gabeanator

You did start at 16% bodyfat, that's pretty high tbh. Probably should've started leaner, you certainly wouldn't have been as fatigued. Did you keep estrogen in balance with an AI? Did you ever go off test at any point?

As for losing hair, that has nothing to do with your age or the endocrine system. It has to do with your scalp being genetically sensitive to androgens. Actually, this gets worse with age. You're much more likely to juice yourself bald at 30 than 20

Ur an idiot, yes i used an AI, I did like 5 cycles from 20 1/2 to 26 years old ranging 8-12 weeks in length and after I stayed around 12-14% bf the whole time!!! That was until I needed knee surgery

I can already tell you won't be here long... I'm not here to argue with you, I've been here awhile.... Again your only 18 and yet you know everything...

The saying goes young dumb and full of cum... I was there just trying to help someone out...

**hughjarms** · 07-12-2013, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by FONZY007

Are u serious....

I started at 20 and a half by the time I was at 26 bam started to feel fatigued and losing hair like no tomorrow..been on TrT since I was 27 and it took like 3 years for it to be dialed in cuz my endo was a dummy....

I was already a big guy, 5'11" 225lbs around 16% no I needed more and nothing won't happen to me... Shit my balls didn't shrink till I was 26 also!!

Endocrine don't mature to around 24-25 years old... I suppressed mine by using AAS...

I say REAL life experience is better than theory in my opinion!!

There are numerous guys on this forum especially in the hrt threads that the same thing happened to them...

Listen or don't, if I could go back I would!!!

The real question is if you pct ed

**Gabeanator** · 07-12-2013, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by FONZY007

Ur an idiot, yes i used an AI, I did like 5 cycles from 20 1/2 to 26 years old ranging 8-12 weeks in length

Why am I an idiot? That was completely unnecessary and rude, as well as a bit ironic coming from someone who types with no degree of articulation. You're fatigued and shit because you keep coming off of test. Why come off of test?

**FONZY007** · 07-12-2013, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by hughjarms

The real question is if you pct ed

Lmao what ever kids....

**bdos** · 07-12-2013, 08:23 PM

Why is the aligator always angry?

**FONZY007** · 07-12-2013, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Gabeanator

Why am I an idiot? That was completely unnecessary and rude, as well as a bit ironic coming from someone who types with no degree of articulation. You're fatigued and shit because you keep coming off of test. Why come off of test?

I told you I'm on TRT an have been for the last 5 years...

There called cycles, you cycle off you don't stay on the test forever!! I was off everything for over 6 months I believe when I started to feel fatigued meaning, I would sleep 12-16 hours a day and work 8 and that's all I was able to do until I got check and my test came back at 67ng/ml

**slaytonslayer** · 07-12-2013, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by FONZY007

I told you I'm on TRT an have been for the last 5 years...

There called cycles, you cycle off you don't stay on the test forever!! I was off everything for over 6 months I believe when I started to feel fatigued meaning, I would sleep 12-16 hours a day and work 8 and that's all I was able to do until I got check and my test came back at 67ng/ml

why not just blast and cruise? it seems like a healthier option to me honestly
im just seriously curious not trying to down you or anything

**hughjarms** · 07-12-2013, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by FONZY007

I told you I'm on TRT an have been for the last 5 years...

There called cycles, you cycle off you don't stay on the test forever!! I was off everything for over 6 months I believe when I started to feel fatigued meaning, I would sleep 12-16 hours a day and work 8 and that's all I was able to do until I got check and my test came back at 67ng/ml

I recommend you to do pct next time

Nolva 20/20/10/10
Clomid 100/100/50/50

Maybe even throw some exemestane in there at 25mg every day

Don't blame your negligence on steroids kid, not doing pct will screw you up at any age

**FONZY007** · 07-12-2013, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by slaytonslayer

why not just blast and cruise? it seems like a healthier option to me honestly
im just seriously curious not trying to down you or anything

Oh I can now if I want, I had 2 knee surgeries a year apart from each other and ballooned to 290.. Currently I'm 245 and waiting to get down to 230 and nothing won't hold me back even the thinning hair I will just shave it all off lol

**FONZY007** · 07-12-2013, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by hughjarms

I recommend you to do pct next time

Nolva 20/20/10/10
Clomid 100/100/50/50

Maybe even throw some exemestane in there at 25mg every day

Don't blame your negligence on steroids kid, not doing pct will screw you up at any age

Ok kids... You better respect your elders or else I'll make you bend over my lap and spank that ass!!

I used pct every time and I mean every time...

And now that I'm on TRT I won't never need to fiddle with pct... So I'm good at my age

**Gabeanator** · 07-12-2013, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by FONZY007

Ok kids... You better respect your elders or else I'll make you bend over my lap and spank that ass!!

I used pct every time and I mean every time...

That's a pretty weird fantasy you've got there bud

Why pct when you could cruise? That way when you finally do go off, you only go through the recovery process once instead and avoid all of the muscle loss from pct?

**FONZY007** · 07-12-2013, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Gabeanator

That's a pretty weird fantasy you've got there bud

Why pct when you could cruise? That way when you finally do go off, you only go through the recovery process once instead and avoid all of the muscle loss from pct?

So who to say you even recover? How long are you talking?