Did you guys see this!?

[Money Boss Hustla]

Okay...now I got your attention...

The time has come for me to either NUT UP or SHUT UP! The gear is ready...the pins are ready...the anti-e's are ready (but tweeking them a bit).

Here's how things are going to look....

.25mg A-dex ED for 3 days before first injection - I'm going to take some heat for this move but I'm going on the side of caution.

1-10 400mg Deca EW (2x200mg) - don't trust the EQ I can get
1-10 500mg S250 EW (2x250mg) - don't trust most single esters I can get
1-13 .25mg or .5mg ED A-dex (what do you guys think?)

Clomid 3 weeks after last inj.
1 day 300mg
10 days 100mg
10 days 50mg

I may run 10mg of Nolvadex along with the Clomid or I may run .25mg or .5mg of A-dex all the way through. Thoughts on which I should run?

That's it guys...any thoughts...either positive or negative?

I attached a pic of the gear. I almost have enough for 2 cycles...just need some topping off. Already have 100 A-dex, 60 S250, 30 Deca, 36 Clomid, 30 Nolvadex, plus the penis pills.

[hellapimpin]

damn ..about how much did that run ya?

[Money Boss Hustla]

Originally posted by hellapimpin
damn ..about how much did that run ya?

Still have another 10 Deca, 36 Clomid, and 30 Nolvadex coming at end of this week.

[Whoisdaman]

I just jizzed my pants. Good job bro.

.... now I gotta go change, lol.

[956Vette]

So, how does the viagra come into play with your cycle?

[JohnnyB]

Your not very trusting are you If it's your first I'd do the sus only, then add the deca on your second.

Here's why(if it your first) if your prone to gyno from estrogen you'll know on a test only cycle. If your prone to progesterone gyno and you run the deca after you've run a test cycle you'll know it's the deca. If you run them both and your prone to one of them and you start seeing signs of gyno you don't know weather to take an anti-e or bromo. Nolva doesn't help with progesterone gyno.

JohnnyB

[Money Boss Hustla]

Originally posted by JohnnyB
Your not very trusting are you If it's your first I'd do the sus only, then add the deca on your second.

Here's why(if it your first) if your prone to gyno from estrogen you'll know on a test only cycle. If your prone to progesterone gyno and you run the deca after you've run a test cycle you'll know it's the deca. If you run them both and your prone to one of them and you start seeing signs of gyno you don't know weather to take an anti-e or bromo. Nolva doesn't help with progesterone gyno.

JohnnyB

I totally understand where you are coming from. I've been discussing something similar with a few people. How do I know if it's deca gyno or test gyno? If I'm running the A-dex should I just assume that it's deca gyno and then pop some bromo? One thing...Deca gyno is freakin' rare! Quite the dilemma! Maybe I should do 3 S250's each week for 8-10 weeks with no Deca.

I would love to hear some other people's thoughts on the original cycle, the anti e's, and/or what was just said.

[Money Boss Hustla]

Originally posted by 956Vette
So, how does the viagra come into play with your cycle?

I guess my Mom will find out!!

Booooooooooooo!!!

[956Vette]

Originally posted by Money Boss Hustla


I guess my Mom will find out!!

Booooooooooooo!!!

You are just lucky your ass is in Canada, eh?

[Money Boss Hustla]

Originally posted by 956Vette



You are just lucky your ass is in Canada, eh?

Why am I lucky?

Oh ya...our Olympic Hockey Team!!

Okay no heat on that last comment it was just a joke!

[Devourer]

thats a pretty picture you got there (not the avatar)

[Power-BB]

looks yummy bro

How much did that set you back though?

[956Vette]

Have none of you all seen a cycle of deca and test w/ anti-e's???

[Money Boss Hustla]

Originally posted by Power-BB
looks yummy bro

How much did that set you back though?

I get good deals through a close friend.

[Money Boss Hustla]

Can we get back to the questionts though? Would appreciate some input.

[Anabolic Andy]

Originally posted by 956Vette
Have none of you all seen a cycle of deca and test w/ anti-e's???

Sounds like someone's jealous!

[Money Boss Hustla]

Bump.

[Money Boss Hustla]

I said BUMP!

[956Vette]

Money- i dont see any probs with your cycle
1-10 400mg Deca EW (2x200mg) - don't trust the EQ I can get
1-10 500mg S250 EW (2x250mg) - don't trust most single esters I can get
1-13 .25mg or .5mg ED A-dex (what do you guys think?)

Clomid 3 weeks after last inj.
1 day 300mg
10 days 100mg
10 days 50mg

I would stick with the .25 ed dose of ldex, maybe up as you feel necessary.
As far as the nolv goes, id keep it on hand during, and running it 10mg/day along with the clomid therapy couldnt do any harm.-i did that last time and didnt really notice anything different, but i do think its worth a try.
Good luck bro

[iron4life79]

nice call on running the dex 3 days before you start your cycle.....

i usually only do this with the shorter esters, but doing it for the longer ones wont hurt a bit.

i tend to agree with jb on the test/deca gyno issue. since it looks like youre going ahead anyways though, keep this in mind....if your 'dex dose isnt high enough to shut down the aromatase, then you really WONT know if its deca or test related.
because any estrogen that gets through WILL bind, and then you have to take nolva to keep it off the receptors.
if it were me, i'd go test only, especially since this is your 1st go. you need to figure out how you react to different aas before stacking them all at once. jmo though.......

peace I4L

[Money Boss Hustla]

...but would you both concur that Deca gyno is a very rare form of gyno? What do you feel are the odds of me even getting Deca gyno?

I4L79...what would you suggest as a cycle? Since I already have 60 amps of S250 I was thinking of running 750mg EW (MWF) for 8-10 weeks along with .5mg of A-dex plus Clomid at the end.

Nolvadex or A-dex while on Clomid?

[H BOMB]

750mg is a little high for a first cycle. i would take a lower dose.

i did 250mg a week of sust for my first cycle and gained 20lb.

i think 500mg would be plenty.

deca gyno is rare but i agree with johnnyb but if you want to take the chance then get some bromo.

you could take clomid by itself but if you wanted to run two then go with the nolva and clomid

[Money Boss Hustla]

I was planning on doing 900mg with the Deca/S250 stack.

C'mon guys. Would appreciate some more input.

[sphinks]

Just so you know,I myself wouldnt even of added L-dex to the stack.
Why,because I've gone through what Johnny B explained about the estro and progestro and it works well.
I'm glad too because now I know I'm proned to both.
Good luck on your journey.

[Money Boss Hustla]

I have read through so many old threads while keeping everyone's thoughts in mind. I'm actually starting to sway to the dark side...and do a test only cycle. Start basic and then start stacking. I would still like to hear from some experienced guys on this.

I'm thinking that I may run everything the same except knock out the Deca. Run 500mg S250 per week (8 weeks - I know everyone will say 10) with .25mg A-dex throughout the cycle then do 10mg Nolvadex while on Clomid 300/100/50.

Then I'll do this...

8 weeks on
8 weeks off
10 weeks 400mg Deca/500mg S250
10 weeks off
...then look out...I'm going to make this my Spiderman cycle! When I'm done I'll have so many veins popping out I'll look like a walking spider web!

[iron4life79]

ok bro,
heres my take on it........if youre going to run sust only then you might as well do it right. this means eod injections. or at least mon-wed-fri injections.
i would run the 750/week. most will say not to, but if you want to utilize the short esters along with getting the most benefit from the long ones, then this is the route i'd take.

1-12 sustanon 750mg/week
.5 mg arimidex(or liquidex) ed throughout your cycle, and up to and through clomid therapy as well.

you could throw an oral in there at the beginning, or taper off with one at the end. your call............

peace I4L

[Sicilian30]

Originally posted by iron4life79
nice call on running the dex 3 days before you start your cycle.....

ii tend to agree with jb on the test/deca gyno issue. since it looks like youre going ahead anyways though, keep this in mind....if your 'dex dose isnt high enough to shut down the aromatase, then you really WONT know if its deca or test related.
because any estrogen that gets through WILL bind, and then you have to take nolva to keep it off the receptors.
if it were me, i'd go test only, especially since this is your 1st go. you need to figure out how you react to different aas before stacking them all at once. jmo though.......

peace I4L

I totally agree here, just from what I have experience with deca and sustanon, both shut you down very hard. And like Iron mentioned here, you may have some gyno issues. My first cycle was sustanon (nothing else) and I got gyno so bad, I had to double up on two orders of nolv, and was up to 80mg a day of nolv just to keep my nips from hurting. If I were you i would save the deca and run it with something like eq or t 200/250. my .02 cents worth.

[Money Boss Hustla]

750mg S250 does sound like quite a bit...think this is okay for a first cycle?

I'm trying to line up some single ester test (besides undergroun shit)...

I just found out that I may be able to get Testosterone Enanthate (Testoviron Depot) 250mg per 1 ml amp...and I know I can get Testosterone Propionate (Virormone) 100mg per 2ml amp.

Any suggestions!?

[iron4life79]

run the enan at 500mg /week instead of the sust.........


peace I4L

[Pheedno]

Originally posted by iron4life79
run the enan at 500mg /week instead of the sust.........


peace I4L

For a first, this is better than sust.
IMO, you can't even run Sust at M/W/F because you'll get a dip in consistancy over the weekend. Not that it won't be effective, but that uneven consistancy could lead to some estrogenic sides early in the cycle before the Cyp. and Enan kick. EOD is the only way to go.

[Money Boss Hustla]

Hey! I like the avatar!


So 500mg test enth for....say 10 weeks.

.25mg of A-dex to start may bump it to .5mg but will run it all the way through cycle (including Clomid).

Would you throw some prop in there at the start...or just let it be at 500mg test enth?

[Pheedno]

Prop is awesome(my preferance) at 75mg for a start if you don't use an oral such as dbol

[Pheedno]

I'd go for 4wks on the prop. 50ED should be suffeciant. I was just closely matching your Enan dose.

[Money Boss Hustla]

1-10 Test enth 500mg EW (2x250)
1-3 or 4 Test prop 50mg or 100mg EOD

The prop comes in 100mg/2ml amps...getting 75mg would be a pain. This way I can use the entire amp in 1 or 2 shots. However I guess could do 75mg...not fun though.

[iron4life79]

pheedno has a legitimate point on the eod thing with the sust.
i just used that example as a last ditch effort in case you needed a break and didnt want to shoot eod for 10-12 weeks.

i would also go 50mg eod on the prop, as this is a first run, and theres no need for overkill here.

just a side note......i'm glad youre thinking about running enan instead bro. its much easier to control blood levels with a single ester test, and sust for a beginner is a big step, mainly because of the eod injections, and the higher dosage needed to maintain levels.

peace I4L

[Money Boss Hustla]

If S250 has to be injected every other day...why can't I do .5ml of S250 EOD? This would keep the blood levels stable would it not? Plus this would keep the test levels relatively low for a first cycle. I don't mind the needles so I know that would not be a problem. Also, I've already picked up some Virormone's (100mg/2ml)...so I could even add to the cycle slightly by adding .5ml to the .5ml S250.

EOD injections would be 125mg S250 and 25mg of Prop...and I would run for 12 weeks. I think it ends up being 20 amps S250 and 10 amps Virormones.

Am I smoking too much crack!? :-) Does this even sound decent?

[motoxxxguy]

I was going to say that although eod injects of 125mg of sust would give you constant blood levels, you would only be getting 15mg of the prop and 15mg of the phenylprop. However, adding the additional prop would help this, but you need to take into account the total amout of test you would be using. You would also only need to add the prop for the first few weeks, until the deconate and isocaproate kicks in. A single ester with a prop kick-start would be much easier and probably cheaper!

-moto

[Money Boss Hustla]

Surprising enough...single esters run me the hardest for $$. Most of the single esters that I can get are underground lab shit. It's super hard and expensive to get amps of single esters like Virormones (Propionate), Testoviron Depot (Enanthate), and Testex (Cypionate). I can get them but they cost me $3-$5 more per amp than S250. I also did a miscalc on the prop...I may need a few more than 10. I was ending it at the same time as the S250...but would run it longer b/c of the longer deconate.

then the Clomid a couple days after the last prop shot at 300/100/50. .25mg A-dex all the way through.

Reasonable!? Or am I just over tired? I may come to my senses by the morning.

[Money Boss Hustla]

I actually sat down with a spread sheet and did all the release timing of S250...then added on the EOD prop...the amounts are wonky at the begining. Once the deconate starts kicking in everything looks great. I would definitely have to increase the prop for the first few weeks.

I might just stick with a enanthate or cyp cycle starting out with some prop. This is getting too f'ing confusing with all the release times of S250!

What's the word on Testex Cyp? Decent? It would be either that or Galenika enanthate stacked with the prop.

[956Vette]

this thread has bounced all over the place. Maybe you should start a new thread from scratch MBH.