Your favourite cycle for staying lean and hard.

[Battleplan]

I am currently finishing up my first cycle. Test prop and D-bol. Have had good results and am already planning my next.

The problem I have had on this cycle is too much bloat and fat gain. I need to stay lean and looking good for my job. I have been using Adex @.25mg EOD.

My question for experienced users here is what should my next cycle look like. I am currently sitting at around 200 pounds@6''. I would like to base my future cycles around Test prop. Would Winstrol be a good drug to add ?. Masteron maybe?

Thanks.

[Back In Black]

Bloat and fat gain is caused by diet not your compounds (unless you didn't use an AI or got your dosing wrong)

[Battleplan]

Bloat and fat gain is caused by diet not your compounds (unless you didn't use an AI or got your dosing wrong)

I might try upping my Adex dosage on my next cycle.

[Bio-Active]

Like back in black stated nutrition will dictate a lot but dbol is most certainly going to add some water weight. Why not cut that out?

[Battleplan]

Like back in black stated nutrition will dictate a lot but dbol is most certainly going to add some water weight. Why not cut that out?

I only used dbol for the first two weeks, and I was definitely holding more water during that time, While I like how quick it gives strength gains, I will not use it again in the near future.

[spiralkut]

Prop, Tren A, Var has got me the most ripped out of the cycles ive done.

[V-ROID]

How about Prop/Tbol? Winstrol makes me cramp no matter how much water and taurine I consume or else I might think differently.

[dinomachino]

The classic cutter is High Tren , Low Test, Mast, and w/ possible addition of a Var backload.

I'm starting this (minus the var in about a week). Will be 75mg MastP, 30mg TestP, and 50-70mg (ramping it up over time) TrenA, each shot ED. Have yet to run this cycle, but have been told to gain 5lbs while droppnig several % bf, of course with diet/training/recovery spot on.

[ChiveOn]

The classic cutter is High Tren , Low Test, Mast, and w/ possible addition of a Var backload.

I'm starting this (minus the var in about a week). Will be 75mg MastP, 30mg TestP, and 50-70mg (ramping it up over time) TrenA, each shot ED. Have yet to run this cycle, but have been told to gain 5lbs while droppnig several % bf, of course with diet/training/recovery spot on.

I would agree with this on the basis of it being great for lean gains, although maybe the var is a bit more than what's needed. But I certainly disagree with this being an appropriate cycle for the OP. not only would he be adding 2-3 compounds he's never used before all at once. But there's no need to run Tren in your second cycle

[Battleplan]

Thanks for the responses. I know test/tren is a common recommendation but I have my concerns about using tren so early in my AAS use. I want to stall on less powerful compounds before I start using it.

[Battleplan]

I would agree with this on the basis of it being great for lean gains, although maybe the var is a bit more than what's needed. But I certainly disagree with this being an appropriate cycle for the OP. not only would he be adding 2-3 compounds he's never used before all at once. But there's no need to run Tren in your second cycle

I agree, ideally I want to see how each drug affects me personally. Right now I know that I respond very well to prop and the brand I have been using gives me little to no pip, I also know that dbol gives me very rapid strength gains and a little too much water retention. What would you suggest my next cycle be, based on what I outlined in the OP?

[jimmyinkedup]

Test,tren ,winny

[qscgugcsq]

You could add some masteron

Or some var/ winny
4 first week var and last 4 winny.
Youll see which one you like better.

[ChiveOn]

I liked test tren mast a lot. Mast you've got to be at a lower body fat to see it shine. Winny gives me issues with the joints, didn't really like it.
Prop var along with some extra cardio would do you wonders.
Tren is probably the best IMO but its a commitment to knowing everything you can and watching yourself strictly. Especially that first time

[Battleplan]

I liked test tren mast a lot. Mast you've got to be at a lower body fat to see it shine. Winny gives me issues with the joints, didn't really like it.
Prop var along with some extra cardio would do you wonders.
Tren is probably the best IMO but its a commitment to knowing everything you can and watching yourself strictly. Especially that first time

I am leaning towards Prop/Mast for my next cycle, and start that cycle at <10% BF. Which will leave Prop/Tren/Mast for my 3rd cycle. Thanks for the input.

[Indymuscleguy]

I am starting a Test C, Tren A, and EQ cycle...I hope to like it...stay tuned

[kelkel]

Op why not simply test again and this time nail down your nutrition and training. Too many people depend on the compound to make the improvements for them instead of nutrition. Make sure you get BW done a month or so after pct. You need to know how you recovered.

[moparspanky]

This is my first cycle so take my comments with a grain of salt. I am doing 500 mg Test E per week + HCG + Adex. Assume I am following the beginner cycles from this forum to an exact T. My goals were maintain body weight and lose fat. I have been maintaining a very clean diet and keeping my calories right at TDEE. I am starting week 9. I have been able to keep my body weight dead on (170 lbs, 5'7"), and my body fat according to the measurements has gone down ~2% (which equates to roughly 3.5lbs of fat lost and 3.5 lbs of muscle gained since body weight is net unchanged). My goal was a 5lb shift. 0.5mg Adex EOD has been enough to keep the water weight from being an issue.

[ANIMAL]

You can achieve your goals with a spot on diet and no gear. Go in the nutrition section and ask for help. Everyone thinks they are eating "correctly" but 9/10 have no clue. Then when you do, for your 2nd cycle try doing Test/Var. With the right diet, that combo will net you awesome hard results. You'll have another cycle under your belt and then after you can consider throwing in tren . Do it in phases. The more cycles you get under your belt, the more you'll learn about your body and see what works and what doesn't, especially in the nutrition aspect. Mast is pointless at this point for you, it doesn't shine until your BF is lower.

[Thor249]

Why do people always think more cycle experience is needed to run tren ?? There is no other compound like it so until you try it you won't have any clue how you react to it. Whether you have 2 cycles or 10 before you try tren it will still be the exact same.

Also tren sides are highly exaggerated.

I say give prop and tren acetate a go and see how you like it, wouldn't hurt to throw var in there either, I personally prefer winny though.

[clarky.]

That's not very good advice ^^^ why should he use the strongest compound there is first. Op should get used to training eating and cycling with test a few times then throw in a oral then maybe another compound and so on.

Then a long way down the line when he has to use large volumes of compounds to get the same results. He could try tren why would you want to start the strongest first.

why are the sides exaggerated everybody is diferent you may sweat like fvck but I may not does that mean your full of shit and exaggerating it ppl are not going to say they got this side when they didn't

[kelkel]

Why do people always think more cycle experience is needed to run tren ?? There is no other compound like it so until you try it you won't have any clue how you react to it. Whether you have 2 cycles or 10 before you try tren it will still be the exact same.

Also tren sides are highly exaggerated.

I say give prop and tren acetate a go and see how you like it, wouldn't hurt to throw var in there either, I personally prefer winny though.

So I take it from that comment that you've had blood work on cycle and off to prove this? Or are you going by how you feel?