Mass cycle

[1wheelr1]

I'm looking for a simple yet very effective mass cycle. I have some ideas but would like to know what everyones thoughts are.

Btw I've used tren in the past. Thanks guys...

[austinite]

You'll need to list your stats, wheeler.

[GymHero]

Stats as stated above please... Any cycle can be a mass cycle, that all depends on your diet not the drugs..

[AlinSR]

500mg test would be a great start.

[DDR]

Weeks 1 to 14: Test Cyp/Test E
Weeks 1 to 12: Deca /NPP
Weeks 1 to 4: Dbol
Weeks 13 to 17: Winstrol (Bridge)
PCT

Arimidex 0.5mg EOD
Caber 0.5mg twice per week

[1wheelr1]

My stats: 29years old, 6'2", 210lb, 10% bf.

[1wheelr1]

Weeks 1 to 14: Test Cyp/Test E
Weeks 1 to 12: Deca /NPP
Weeks 1 to 4: Dbol
Weeks 13 to 17: Winstrol (Bridge)
PCT

Arimidex 0.5mg EOD
Caber 0.5mg twice per week

Does Dbol come in injectable?

Also I've never used Dbol or Deca. What would a good dosage be?

[GymHero]

Does Dbol come in injectable?

Also I've never used Dbol or Deca. What would a good dosage be?

Don't listen to DDR, he is giving terrible advice. You never want to add multiple drugs to a cycle you have never ran, its common sense. If you get harsh sides you wont know which one is causing it and you will have to stop the cycle completely. Why dont you try a simple Test/Npp cycle for 8 weeks? NPP is my favorite AAS hands down! Sry Tren lol

[1wheelr1]

Don't listen to DDR, he is giving terrible advice. You never want to add multiple drugs to a cycle you have never ran, its common sense. If you get harsh sides you wont know which one is causing it and you will have to stop the cycle completely. Why dont you try a simple Test/Npp cycle for 8 weeks? NPP is my favorite AAS hands down! Sry Tren lol

What exactly is NPP?
Recommended dosage?
Why not tren ?

[qscgugcsq]

if you have experience with tren /test.

You could do test prop 50mg EOD with tren ace 150mg EOD for 8 weeks or 12 weeks of enanthate with d-bol ad kickstart for 4 week. Or if you feel ok you could switch d-bol for anadrol .

if you eat enough tren will do wonder.

If not test prop/NPP is great too.

(npp is a short estered nandrolone while deca is a long ester of nandrolone.) NPP stands for nandrolone phenyl-propionate

their is no "dont use tren" If you can handle it then go ahead.

I like low test high tren(only what I've read on and experience of people.) seems the best way to avoid undesirable side effect, and maximize the gains.
but the dose will be dependant on how you react with it.

but I personnally think that 150mg EOD tren = 2625 mg of test is plenty for anyone...

[1wheelr1]

if you have experience with tren /test.

You could do test prop 50mg EOD with tren ace 150mg EOD for 8 weeks or 12 weeks of enanthate with d-bol ad kickstart for 4 week. Or if you feel ok you could switch d-bol for anadrol .

if you eat enough tren will do wonder.

If not test prop/NPP is great too.

(npp is a short estered nandrolone while deca is a long ester of nandrolone.) NPP stands for nandrolone phenyl-propionate

their is no "dont use tren" If you can handle it then go ahead.

I like low test high tren(only what I've read on and experience of people.) seems the best way to avoid undesirable side effect, and maximize the gains.
but the dose will be dependant on how you react with it.

but I personnally think that 150mg EOD tren = 2625 mg of test is plenty for anyone...

I'm leaning toward tren/test
Why not test-e! It's much cheaper.
Wouldn't more test equal a little extra size?

[qscgugcsq]

I'm leaning toward tren /test
Why not test-e! It's much cheaper.
Wouldn't more test equal a little extra size?

Test-e it's cheaper but longer to kick-in(where the use of d-bol or anadrol comes interesting)
I like short ester because it seems(I'm not talking from MY experience, only from what I've read) to have less side effect and kicks in faster. Fast in, Fast out

If you prefer long ester, it's strictly up to you.

And yes and no... More test will give more gain, however also more side effect...
5% more gain for 40% more side effect do not worth in IMO.

And when you look at it.

50mg EOD test = 175mg/week + 2625mg worth of tren = 2800mg of test
or
150mg EOD = 525 + 2625 = worth of 3150mg of test

Having same amount of each, gives about 10% more on the total and gives bigger side effect...

and we all know that more is not necessarily better when AAS are concern. And you said you are worried about the price. So less test will cost less...

Your call, but I don't think it worth the side effect

[atrainwright]

With tren you become god-like! Every cycle I've done without is a disappointment compared to my tren cycles. Maybe kick start with dbol or some abombs for 4 wks, both give you a ridiculous instant pump with an ultimate satisfaction of yourself. Eat like a stallion and become one.

[1wheelr1]

Test-e it's cheaper but longer to kick-in(where the use of d-bol or anadrol comes interesting)
I like short ester because it seems(I'm not talking from MY experience, only from what I've read) to have less side effect and kicks in faster. Fast in, Fast out

If you prefer long ester, it's strictly up to you.

And yes and no... More test will give more gain, however also more side effect...
5% more gain for 40% more side effect do not worth in IMO.

And when you look at it.

50mg EOD test = 175mg/week + 2625mg worth of tren = 2800mg of test
or
150mg EOD = 525 + 2625 = worth of 3150mg of test

Having same amount of each, gives about 10% more on the total and gives bigger side effect...

and we all know that more is not necessarily better when AAS are concern. And you said you are worried about the price. So less test will cost less...

Your call, but I don't think it worth the side effect

Thx bro, I'll take your advise and stick with test-p 50mg EOD and tren-a 150mg EOD.

[GymHero]

Thx bro, I'll take your advise and stick with test-p 50mg EOD and tren-a 150mg EOD.

I don't think you need 150mg of tren eod.. Why not just use 50-75mg eod? Everyone underestimates how powerful this shi t is...

[qscgugcsq]

I don't think you need 150mg of tren eod.. Why not just use 50-75mg eod? Everyone underestimates how powerful this shi t is...

on many post that I've read they advised a minimum of 300mg/week to make it worth it.

He says that he already had experience with it so I assume that a bit more could be beneficial.


But like I said I have no experience with tren so I can't confirm with any personal experience.

Only him know how he react at xxx dosage.

Plus, 75mg EOD = 225mg/weeks = 1125mg worth of test.

He seems to have some cycles under his belt so even if 1125mg seems massif, we can't efficiently compare tren to testosterone like that...

Personally If I ever consider tren, I will certainly use very low dose of it and grow dose through time.
but tren scare the shit out of me so I prefer to don't feel it at all that having too much...

[1wheelr1]

on many post that I've read they advised a minimum of 300mg/week to make it worth it.

He says that he already had experience with it so I assume that a bit more could be beneficial.

But like I said I have no experience with tren so I can't confirm with any personal experience.

Only him know how he react at xxx dosage.

Plus, 75mg EOD = 225mg/weeks = 1125mg worth of test.

He seems to have some cycles under his belt so even if 1125mg seems massif, we can't efficiently compare tren to testosterone like that...

Personally If I ever consider tren, I will certainly use very low dose of it and grow dose through time.
but tren scare the shit out of me so I prefer to don't feel it at all that having too much...

Plus, 75mg EOD = 225mg/weeks = 1125mg worth of test
What do you mean by this? How did you come up with the calculation?

[ChiveOn]

I just ran a prop tren cycle. 30mg of Prop daily and 65mg of tren daily.
210mg test
455mg tren weekly

That was more than enough for my first tren cycle, certainly wouldn't go higher.
Seein what tren did to me makes it seem like a much stronger cutter than bulkier but that's diet dependent. I guess...

If you're looking to bulk try Deca instead honestly. It's a 19nor just like tren so you have experience there. And at 300-400mg weekly is plenty. It's generally seen as a good bulkier.

Additionally, NPP is essentially a shorter ester of Deca. So it's best used with prop whereas Deca is better in longer cycles.
Hope this helps

[qscgugcsq]

Plus, 75mg EOD = 225mg/weeks = 1125mg worth of test
What do you mean by this? How did you come up with the calculation?

trenbolone is 5 times more anabolic /androgenic than testosterone

As simple as that, but like I said it do not represent really... with 500mg tren you won't have the same gain as 2 500mg test. But it gives a good idea.

[OnTheSauce]

trenbolone is 5 times more anabolic /androgenic than testosterone

As simple as that, but like I said it do not represent really... with 500mg tren you won't have the same gain as 2 500mg test. But it gives a good idea.

Being more androgenic and more anabolic doesn't mean it does what test will at 1/5 the dose. Which is sounds like you understand. So don't post that math calculation because its not true

[t-dogg]

Being more androgenic and more anabolic doesn't mean it does what test will at 1/5 the dose. Which is sounds like you understand. So don't post that math calculation because its not true

Explain why it's not?

[OnTheSauce]

Explain why it's not?

Because then everyone would be gobbling down halotestin since its 1900:850 and makes tren 's 500:500 and testosterone 100:100 look like gnc products. But in fact, halo won't put any size on you. That's just not how they work. The ratios don't tell everything.