Does it really make sense to ever come off?

**JRam1** · 07-20-2013, 07:03 PM

I feel like cruising and blasting is the only strategy that seems to work if u want to look like a BB 365 days a year.

Once you're off for a while u have to start all over again. Keeping that nice steady base of test seems the best way to go.

**austinite** · 07-20-2013, 07:07 PM

Blasting and cruising is a term that should have never left the TRT world.

**DexterMorgan** · 07-20-2013, 07:07 PM

edit: ^^ You type too fast brother.=)

TRT is not that fun, enjoys the beauty of cycling, keep your boys working, and do your best at maintaining muscle with good diet and intense training routines.

**AlinSR** · 07-20-2013, 07:08 PM

Yep, but some guys just choose to totally clean out.

BG · 07-20-2013, 07:13 PM

My training partner listen to me. He has cycled for 7 years, went from 195 to 265, always comes off. He always run hcg during and for pct. He SO happy now he has a family and has grown up that he didnt go on trt.

I wish I never did, all you hold is water.

**JRam1** · 07-20-2013, 07:19 PM

I'm consulting w/ a coach who has consistently been 3-6 percent BF for the last 3 years or so. He never comes off and has suffered no adverse side effects, at least as far as his blood work and routine physicals show.

He emphasizes diet but if u want to keep the size and be lean it's hard to come off.

**DexterMorgan** · 07-20-2013, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by JRam1

I'm consulting w/ a coach who has consistently been 3-6 percent BF for the last 3 years or so. He never comes off and has suffered no adverse side effects, at least as far as his blood work and routine physicals show.

He emphasizes diet but if u want to keep the size and be lean it's hard to come off.

Not really, you can be one huge mofo by just cycling. Plus when you're on TRT dose it's a dose of most healthy young males, shouldn't be much higher. Do not consider TRT unless you really have a low natural production. Being married to the needle is pricey and not all that fun and games. There are many problems you'll have to worry about on TRT.

**JRam1** · 07-20-2013, 07:29 PM

Definitely not looking to be huge. 6'01" 225 is my goal. But I want to be aesthetic. Very low, sub 7 percent BF pretty much all the time. My coach has accomplished that.

**austinite** · 07-20-2013, 07:29 PM

lol. You have access to his medical records? Not saying it's not true but come on... bold statement there.

**DexterMorgan** · 07-20-2013, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by JRam1

Definitely not looking to be huge. 6'01" 225 is my goal. But I want to be aesthetic. Very low, sub 7 percent BF pretty much all the time. My coach has accomplished that.

Even on gear, staying below 7% year round would be tough, you won't gain much muscle at a caloric deficit. Austinite is on TRT, so if I were you, I would take his advice.

**kronik420** · 07-20-2013, 07:36 PM

TRT doesn't sound too bad to me.. nebido is like 3-4 pins/year.....

you can only do so many cycles before you end up on TRT anyways...

**JRam1** · 07-20-2013, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

lol. You have access to his medical records? Not saying it's not true but come on... bold statement there.

I wouldn't have hired him if I hadn't witnessed it w/ my own eyes for last couple of years.

**rmbX66t1** · 07-20-2013, 07:58 PM

I am one of the young men who has intentionally self-prescribed TRT. Most disagree with it, many condemn me for it, but for various personal reasons I am happy with the decision. It is something that I can assure you is worth thinking about heavily before making any rash decisions. Consult your doctor, speak with your family, and talk to the gentlemen on websites like this one, that are already enduring TRT. It is a serious life long commitment that you want to fully understand before acting upon.

**Cuz** · 07-20-2013, 10:19 PM

I would have to ask myself if that question made any sense? No pun intended.

**Capebuffalo** · 07-21-2013, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by JRam1

I wouldn't have hired him if I hadn't witnessed it w/ my own eyes for last couple of years.

You don't see anything but the exterior of your coach. You think he's going to tell you you can look like me if you do what I say....but you're going to have high cholesterol and high blood pressure which in 10 years will lead to you having a cardio malfarction. But hey nobody can saw wow do you think the dead guy even lifts?

**JRam1** · 07-21-2013, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

You don't see anything but the exterior of your coach. You think he's going to tell you you can look like me if you do what I say....but you're going to have high cholesterol and high blood pressure which in 10 years will lead to you having a cardio malfarction. But hey nobody can saw wow do you think the dead guy even lifts?

He doesn't have to say that. We all know the risks associated w/ AAS use. The question is whether TRT type doses over an extended period of time pose any greater risk than the typical cycle on/cycle off protocol that most people follow.

Even w/ the plan that's been recommended to me, the blast cycles will be less involved than what I see other people using when "on cycle."

**ScotchGuard02** · 07-21-2013, 12:02 PM

TRT has it's own sides that weren't anticipated. Test isn't the only thing the body needs to stay "young" it does help with muscular development. IMO, no exogenous hormones is better than "natural" hormones. I'm on TRT because my body doesn't make Test anymore but even being on TRT isn't as good as when my body was making natural Test.

**555mjolnir** · 07-21-2013, 11:40 PM

JR1 can I ask how old your trainer is? Also what are your stats, i didn't see them listed in your profile? Where is your body fat right now? Where was it? Is your diet truley on spot and clean, cuz gear wont fix those issuses. I see looking @ your profile that your 43 sub 7% year round at our age is really rough... Unless you are really taking a lot of compounds and your diet is spot on and doing lots of cardio; how much depends on diet and your bmr.

Sorry to run on my point is as we get older we have more body fat its not even just Subcutaneous fat, visceral fat builds in and around our organs. Below I am posting a chart, I know it a chart of avg. people and none of us is trying for avg. yada yada yada point being it shows differance @ various ages.
That is why I ask how old your trainer is if he younfer its easier to maintain low low BF. Also you don't know for sure what compounds he is or isn't taking for example HGH, T3, Clen , slin, or Peptides maybe all of the above.
HGH, slin, T3, and slin are extremely advanced compounds but can turn the body into a fat burning machine and even make the skin look almost shrunk wrap on a body. That being said @ 43 sub 7% year round tuff like I said before going into contest prep @ 9-10% for 6-8 week you can get to <5% with diet, cardio 2xd 45min. stair tread mill, and some harsh compounds are probably in the mix too.
Your a grown man not some youngster so research your choices and make informed decisions. check out the chart just as reference.

Age Underfat Healthy Overweight Obese
20-40 yrs Under 8% 8-19% 19-25% Over 25%
41-60 yrs Under 11% 11-22% 22-27% Over 27%
61-79 yrs Under 13% 13-25% 25-30% Over 30%

From 20 years old @ 8%-10% verses 43 @ 11-13 two different worlds. Hell 12-15% at 43 your a rockstar compared to your peers. Just saying man.