2nd Cycle!! Test / Deca / Dbol.!! Almost ready.

[Beastmode654]

First off, let me say this is my second cycle ever, first one was just a basic test e 500mgs for 12 weeks. Got great results with strength, size and kept most of it.
Went up 20 lbs of mass, and kept about 13-14 lbs.
Thanks to all the posts up here, I had a pretty good first cycle.


Looks like im about ready for my second cycle.
This is what I came up with...


The Juice:
Week 1-12 500mg Test E 2x week.
Week 1-10 400mg Deca 2x week.
Week 1-4 40mg Dbol 40mg/day

The AI's
Week 1-4 12.5 mg Aromasin E3D
Week 5-12 12.5mg Aromasin EOD

The PCT
Week 12-14 12.5mg Aromasin ED
Week 12-16 100/100/50/50 Clomid

The Liver support + Pre PCT
Week 1-5 Liv52 4 tabs/day
Week 1-12 Milk Thistle 4 tabs/day

Stats:
6 1
224 lbs
about 16-18% BF

How does that look?

Also I have 5000IUs HCG on hand too.
There are so many different opinions on usage.
To me it makes sense to do it while on cycle to keep the boys live.
Ive read a few threads here where the guys blast last two weeks, or even during pct.
Some posts even recommend skipping HCG all together for 12 week cycles.

I did not use HCG first time around, with test e, and my pct was great (with Nolva Clomid only). Got blood work done to verify.

Diet and training is in check. I put on about 20lbs while on test e, again thanks to this wonderful website.

Please let me know what you guys think.
I hope I can start on tuesday if I get confirmation from a few experienced users.

THANKS for READING and REALLY APPRECIATE ALL REPLYS

[DexterMorgan]

First off, let me say this is my second cycle ever, first one was just a basic test e 500mgs for 12 weeks. Got great results with strength, size and kept most of it.
Went up 20 lbs of mass, and kept about 13-14 lbs.
Thanks to all the posts up here, I had a pretty good first cycle.


Looks like im about ready for my second cycle.
This is what I came up with...


The Juice:
Week 1-12 500mg Test E 2x week.
Week 1-10 400mg Deca 2x week.
Week 1-4 40mg Dbol 40mg/day

The AI's
Week 1-4 12.5 mg Aromasin E3D
Week 5-12 12.5mg Aromasin EOD

The PCT
Week 12-14 12.5mg Aromasin ED
Week 12-16 100/100/50/50 Clomid

The Liver support + Pre PCT
Week 1-5 Liv52 4 tabs/day
Week 1-12 Milk Thistle 4 tabs/day

Stats:
6 1
224 lbs
about 16-18% BF

How does that look?

Also I have 5000IUs HCG on hand too.
There are so many different opinions on usage.
To me it makes sense to do it while on cycle to keep the boys live.
Ive read a few threads here where the guys blast last two weeks, or even during pct.
Some posts even recommend skipping HCG all together for 12 week cycles.

I did not use HCG first time around, with test e, and my pct was great (with Nolva Clomid only). Got blood work done to verify.

Diet and training is in check. I put on about 20lbs while on test e, again thanks to this wonderful website.

Please let me know what you guys think.
I hope I can start on tuesday if I get confirmation from a few experienced users.

THANKS for READING and REALLY APPRECIATE ALL REPLYS

Run Aromasin at least the minimum of 12.5mg ed.
Start PCT 2 weeks after the last shot, Include Nolva to your PCT, No need to run Aromasin during PCT.
Use HCG from week 1, abort 4 days before PCT. (250iu twice a week.)
NAC is much better than liver52 for liver support.

[DexterMorgan]

Also keep Prami or Caber on hand

[Granovich]

^^ good advice . PCT nolvadex and clomid or torem instead of clomid. protocol is easy and can be found on the forum easily.
i read somewhere that People should run Test E 4 weeks more than Deca not just 2 weeks so this way PCT starts 6 weeks after PCT...
i will look for the article and post here if i found it ....deca takes a while to get out of system thats why people still suffer sides after pct its because wrong starting time of PCT

[DexterMorgan]

^^ good advice . PCT nolvadex and clomid or torem instead of clomid. protocol is easy and can be found on the forum easily.
i read somewhere that People should run Test E 4 weeks more than Deca not just 2 weeks so this way PCT starts 6 weeks after PCT...
i will look for the article and post here if i found it ....deca takes a while to get out of system thats why people still suffer sides after pct its because wrong starting time of PCT

Deca's half-life is 14 days, so running it for 10 or 11 weeks would be fine. Test should always be used 1 or 2 weeks longer than deca. So I would leave it how it is.

[fit2bOld]

Lose the deca. Why change what worked. Kick start with the dbol is enough for 2nd cycle

[Granovich]

Deca's half-life is 14 days, so running it for 10 or 11 weeks would be fine. Test should always be used 1 or 2 weeks longer than deca. So I would leave it how it is.

i know the half life. its just deca is kinda of weird . alot of my friends run it and they keep getting sides
unless you run Test like 4 weeks longer so PCT ends up 6 weeks after last deca shot

[Beastmode654]

Thanks for the replies guys.
I really want to give deca a try after ive seen a few guys I train with put on some serious size with it. I got 20 lbs with test alone, Im shooting for about 30-35 lbs this time. If I can sit at about 245-250 post cycle that will be amazing.
I will run test 2 weeks longer than deca, as recommended by most experienced users.

Also, I read that Nolva and deca dont go well together. Is that true or just internet bs?
I do have both Nolva and Aromasin on hand so I can run either or with clomid for pct.
Any thoughts?

Can someone with experience shed their thoughts on Caber?
From my understanding, Caber helps with prolactin issues and prolactin issues only arise when estrogen levels sore. So as long as I run aromasin and keep estro under control I should be fine? Or run Caber either way?
I dont have it on hand but can get it withing 4-5 days.

Also, whats the deal with deca dick. Heck load of different opinions about it.
I think I have everything under control. Is there any thing Im missing to prevent it?

FYI bros, I did my first shot today, test 250 and deca 200. 40 mgs dbol spread through out the day.
Workout was sick, and pump was insane!! Dont know if it was the dbol or just the placebo effect.