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    Deca d!ck and viagra

    I have done in the past 600mg week deca along with test and I saw first hand the effects of ED. From that.. My question is will viagra use during those months be good enough to counter the decadick when needed until it rubs off.? Im considering another deca cycle in the future.

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    It's your e2 that is causing it get your e2 in check and your dick will work you can run cycles with trt dose and deca no probs

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarky. View Post
    It's your e2 that is causing it get your e2 in check and your dick will work you can run cycles with trt dose and deca no probs
    It could likely be a number of things, not just specifically his E2.

    First off some important questions we need answers to so that we may help you:

    1. What is your: Age, Height, Weight and BF%
    2. Have you been taking a Aromatose Inhibitor(AI) like Arimidex or Aromasin ? If so, how much ED or EOD?
    3. What kind of Test are you taking and how many mg/wk
    4. Do you have Caber or Prami on hand?

    If you have not started your cycle and these are effects you are experiencing after being off cycle for a while you need to get blood work done ASAP as it sounds like you may have not recovered properly.

    If you experience it ON cycle it could be that your AI is dosed too low, OR your experiencing side effects from prolactin(which is a result of the Deca ) which can be solved with Prami. You will need to get blood work though to check your E2 levels, though if you have been on a AI it is very likely the possibility you are not taking Caber/Prami

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    run Test Longer than Deca . alot of people add 1 more week of test after stopiing deca
    i would add 3-4 weeks of test then take 2 weeks off then do PCT
    i read in a study that you actually need 6 weeks after stopping deca so you can start PCT. this way you start PCT without having high deca in your system
    Run AI.
    run caber during cycle.... you shouldnt face decadick if you do that
    and get liquid cialis. run it 10mg EOD.... u will love it!!! viagra sux

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogtags View Post
    It could likely be a number of things, not just specifically his E2.

    First off some important questions we need answers to so that we may help you:

    1. What is your: Age, Height, Weight and BF%
    2. Have you been taking a Aromatose Inhibitor(AI) like Arimidex or Aromasin ? If so, how much ED or EOD?
    3. What kind of Test are you taking and how many mg/wk
    4. Do you have Caber or Prami on hand?

    If you have not started your cycle and these are effects you are experiencing after being off cycle for a while you need to get blood work done ASAP as it sounds like you may have not recovered properly.

    If you experience it ON cycle it could be that your AI is dosed too low, OR your experiencing side effects from prolactin(which is a result of the Deca) which can be solved with Prami. You will need to get blood work though to check your E2 levels, though if you have been on a AI it is very likely the possibility you are not taking Caber/Prami
    if his e2 is in check (blood work ) prolactin should not be a problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarky. View Post
    if his e2 is in check (blood work ) prolactin should not be a problem
    High Prolactin does not nessisarily mean high E2.

    Prolactin and E2 are different measures. His E2 can be fine and still have high prolactin.You wont experience this with cycles that do not contain a 19-NOR compound (Deca , Tren ) but is quite previlant in cycles that do contain it which is why it is advised to have Prami/Caber on hand.

    I cold have leaky nips on a Tren cycle and bottom out my E2 up-dosing A-dex but will do nothing for the prolactin side effectx without those compounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogtags View Post
    High Prolactin does not nessisarily mean high E2.

    Prolactin and E2 are different measures. His E2 can be fine and still have high prolactin.You wont experience this with cycles that do not contain a 19-NOR compound (Deca , Tren ) but is quite previlant in cycles that do contain it which is why it is advised to have Prami/Caber on hand.

    I cold have leaky nips on a Tren cycle and bottom out my E2 up-dosing A-dex but will do nothing for the prolactin side effectx without those compounds.
    I know that dogtag but in most cases if your e2 is in check most cases then prolactin is not a problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarky. View Post
    if his e2 is in check (blood work ) prolactin should not be a problem
    i actually had E2 perfectly normal
    and my prolactin was high and caused ED for me and low ejaculation volume
    i was on cycle with 25mg aromaisn ED ( pharma grade) which was alot . yet my prolactin stayed high
    wasnt fixed until i introduced cabergoline @ 0.5mg/ E3D
    thats why now i would never cycle without it. i keep running it after pct for a while too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granovich View Post
    i actually had E2 perfectly normal
    and my prolactin was high and caused ED for me and low ejaculation volume
    i was on cycle with 25mg aromaisn ED ( pharma grade) which was alot . yet my prolactin stayed high
    wasnt fixed until i introduced cabergoline @ 0.5mg/ E3D
    thats why now i would never cycle without it. i keep running it after pct for a while too
    I should of said in most cases from the start granovich

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarky. View Post
    I should of said in most cases from the start granovich
    LOL im sorry
    its just good practice to run caber in any cycle that include nandrones
    better safe than sorry, Kelkel taught me that lol

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    Oh where do I start. Im currently on test only now,and perfectly fine.no ED issues,that just followed me for a few months but I ask about viagra bcuz I remember the days explaining decadick to the wife and dont want that again.this deca test was my last cycle,,,probably close to a yr ago,,took liquidex,recomended dose, had prami but I didnt have prolacting probs, 39 yrs,5'8" 190lb not alot of bf, not sure amount possibly around 10%,,i probably only need some test and var to cut for the next one

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    HOW long did you run cycle for and what doses were they
    also when did you stop each ? and when did you start PCT

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    Quote Originally Posted by poppz View Post
    Oh where do I start. Im currently on test only now,and perfectly fine.no ED issues,that just followed me for a few months but I ask about viagra bcuz I remember the days explaining decadick to the wife and dont want that again.this deca test was my last cycle,,,probably close to a yr ago,,took liquidex,recomended dose, had prami but I didnt have prolacting probs, 39 yrs,5'8" 190lb not alot of bf, not sure amount possibly around 10%,,i probably only need some test and var to cut for the next one
    If you had Deca Dick you had Prolactin problems ^.^

    remember, never base assumtions off of visual side effects. Just because you arerent having problems with your nips that does not mean everything is good to go. Bloodwork is the only thing that can tell you.
    As soon as you started having the issue you could have sent in for bloodwork and while you did that go ahead and take baseline doeses of prami daily before bed. Viagra will help get it up, but that's only 12/2 the prob once you had it up the next problem you would encounter is the inability to ejaculate, and they don't make a instant cure for that :P

    I hope that answers your question, though I would still like to get some of the info from you I posted above. (Dosages, there's a lot of "recommended" adex doses, .25mg .5mg EoD etc) Id like to help you out with a future cycle and get you on the right track so you dont encounter these problems, and when you do you recognize them and know exactly what you need to do to fix it.

    For example Armoasin is awesome for some BUT it didn't do anything for me. I was taking it at 25mg mid-morning with dietary fats abd after a few weeks my E2 was through the roof, im talking BAD swelling in ankles etc. Got some adex and it went away in a few weeks and that was that. Adex can bottom out your E2 if you aren't careful but there is no question it works, Armomasin seems to be hit or miss, and it still isn't completely "figured out" yet. I prefer certainty over uncertainty


    To give you an idea, here is my next proposed cyle, I have it all on hand as well as extra of each listed compound in case something happens:

    1-12: Deca 400mg/wk (divided 200mg 2x)
    1-14: Omnadren 500mg/wk (divided 250mg 2x)
    1-16: HCG 500ui/wk (divided 250ui 2x)
    3-16: Proviron 25mg/day
    3-16: .5mg Adex EoD
    17-20: 100/50/25/25 Clomid 40/40/20/20 Nolva
    17-20: Post-Cycle/Unleashed Combo
    1-20: NAC
    Prami on hand.

    And from the horror stories I have seen, and some experienced I would not do a cycle without a damn good AI, Prami/Caber(if Deca/Tren ) or HCG(this is so damn important now, its not even an option and needs to stop being considered one).

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