Androgel

[nashmike1]

Hello, I am new to the forum I am taking androgel for low T and Im 51 years old, I would like to lose body fat while still gaining muscle I was bodybuilding in my 20's and stopped while working and raising kids my question is can I take CLEN for a short cycle to get a jump start?

[toppinm]

I would suggest against taking clen with androgel. I would suggest against taking androgel at all unless you like your girls hairy. You should make the leap to injections.

[Metalject]

Hello, I am new to the forum I am taking androgel for low T and Im 51 years old, I would like to lose body fat while still gaining muscle I was bodybuilding in my 20's and stopped while working and raising kids my question is can I take CLEN for a short cycle to get a jump start?

If you have low t and you bring your levels back to the optimal range, you'll be surprised how much this improves your metabolism. That alone will help you lose the fat you've been hanging onto. One of the worst things about low testosterone is it can make fat loss extremely difficult to nearly impossible. Once I was done with bodybuilding, my natural test levels stayed below 100, got as low as the 60's at one point. I still went to the gym regularly and ate extremely clean but more and more muscle loss and fat gain was inevitable. I lived like this for over a year and it really sucked. Once I started my TRT program the issue was solved.

AndroGel, this may or may not remedy your problem. Transdermal gels will not work in approximately 20% of all men regardless of how much they use. They simply can't absorb it. Even the AndroGel commercials on TV admit to this fact. Another problem is many men find it works well for a time and then their body adapts. Make no mistake, some men do very well with transdermal testosterone but the issues that surround them don't exist with injectable testosterone and that's something you may need to consider in the future.

Clen, it's a good fat burner. It can be very annoying due to the way it makes you feel. In my opinion, since Clen should only be used for set amounts of time if you're going to keep yourself safe, it's best to use it once you've hit a wall with your fat loss. You'll get the most out of it this way. It can help with sticking points, although I personally prefer T3 over Clen any day.

[dlex]

androgel is prescribed by the dr handling trt as a first resource imo should never be used piss poor up take rate also has a very unnatural peak life as i personaly exhibited near psyhcothic rage on it while im perfect and happy on intramuscular
although im much younger so my body would naturally want more test
but no never use androgel as a base for a cycle although you can use clen on its own as its primarily a brochiodiolator non anabolic and non androgenic in nature just remember 2weeks on 2 weeks off clenbuterol hydrochloride is the easiest

[toppinm]

T3 can promote muscle wasting and is for serious users only. Your best option is to move to injections before considering using other hormones.

[dlex]

t3 at his age could be a terrible mistake as his body isnt in the prime of restarting anything he may find his body is unable to catch up on the lag from t3 also to mess with your thyroid at his age is just too risky from a medical stand point at least

[Metalject]

I said I liked T3, I never told the guy he should take it or even hinted at it. However, the fear that surrounds T3 is perhaps one of the most overblown of all hormones. Plenty of guys shut themselves down permanently when it comes to testosterone due to gear use, but show me all the guys with hypothyroidism due to T3 use. Where are they?

[dlex]

all exogenous hormones shut down the endogenous with that shut down comes the possiblity of perminent shut down plus any thyroid condition can be over looked as something else it runs in my family i have signs doesnt mean i do or dont have it its always a possibility especially in older guys if you can find me definative scientific research blind double blind tests all on humans then you can say it doesnt occur

[toppinm]

I said I liked T3, I never told the guy he should take it or even hinted at it. However, the fear that surrounds T3 is perhaps one of the most overblown of all hormones. Plenty of guys shut themselves down permanently when it comes to testosterone due to gear use, but show me all the guys with hypothyroidism due to T3 use. Where are they?

T3 is overblown just as insluin is overblown. Everything is safe as long as you know what you are doing. However there is much more info o. Test based cycles which makes them easier to plan.

[Gezzz]

clen gives my misses terrible shakes she cant handle it at all ECA works good for her

[dlex]

yes because death and comas are over blown insulin is dangerous yes its possible to do with no ill effects but theres an incredibly fine line with slin between safe and screwed

[Metalject]

all exogenous hormones shut down the endogenous with that shut down comes the possiblity of perminent shut down plus any thyroid condition can be over looked as something else it runs in my family i have signs doesnt mean i do or dont have it its always a possibility especially in older guys if you can find me definative scientific research blind double blind tests all on humans then you can say it doesnt occur

J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1975 Jul;41(1):70-80.
Patterns off recovery of the hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid axis in patients taken of chronic thyroid therapy.

Krugman LG, Hershman JM, Chopra IJ, Levine GA, Pekary E, Geffner DL, Chua Teco GN.

Abstract
To determine the patterns of recovery of the hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid axis following long-term thyroid hormone therapy, TRH tests were performed on 8 euthyroid nongoitrous patients, 5 euthyroid goitrous patients, and 5 hypothyroid patients while they were taking full doses of thyroid hormone and 3, 7, 10, 14, 17, 21, 28, 35, 42, 49, and 56 days after stopping it. Serum TSH, T3, and T4 were measured before and at multiple intervals over a 4-h period after giving 500 mug TRH iv. In euthyroid non-goitrous patients, the mean duration of suppressed TSH response to TRH (maximum deltaTSH less than 8 muU/ml) was 12 +/- 4 (SE) days after stopping thyroid hormone and the mean time to recovery of normal TSH response to TRH (maximum deltaTSH greater than 8 muU/ml) was 16 +/- 5 days. None of the euthyroid nongoitrous patients ever hyperresponded to TRH; their average maximal deltaTSH was 24.5 +/- 2.2 muU/ml. Serum T4 fell below normal in 4 euthyroid non-goitrous patients, reaching lowest values at 4 to 28 days. While serum T4 was low, deltaTSH was subnormal. Normal increments of T4 and T3 after TRH occurred at 19 +/- 5 and 22 +/- 6 days, respectively. In the 5 goitrous patients, patterns of recovery of pituitary and thyroid function assessed by the same parameters were much less consistent. In the 5 hypothyroid patients, the mean duration of suppressed basal TSH and suppressed deltaTSH was 13 +/- 3 days; mean time to attain a supranormal basal TSH (greater than 8 muU/ml) was 16 +/- 4 days and to reach a supranormal deltaTSH (greater than 38 muU/ml) after TRH was 29 +/- 8 days. Following prolonged thyroid therapy in euthyroid patients, recovery of normal TSH responsiveness to TRH preceded recovery of the normal T3 and T4 response to TRH by 3 to 6 days. Basal serum TSH may be used to differentiate euthyroid from hypothyroid patients 35 days after withdrawal of thyroid therapy; the response to TRH does not improve this differentiation.

Patterns off recovery of the hypotha... [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1975] - PubMed - NCBI

N Engl J Med. 1975 Oct 2;293(14):681-4.
Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy.

Vagenakis AG, Braverman LE, Azizi F, Portinay GI, Ingbar SH.

Abstract
The pattern of thyrotropin secretion was analyzed in seven euthyroid women, before and after withdrawal of long-term thyroid hormone, by serial measurements of thyroid 131l uptake, serum thyroxine, tri-iodothyronine, and thyrotropin concentrations, and the response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone. During exogenous hormone administration, 131l uptake was suppressed, and serum thyrotropin concentrations before and after administration of thyrotropin-releasing hormone were undetectable. After withdrawal of exogenous hormone, thyrotropin secretory function was transiently impaired, as indicated by undetectable basal thyrotropin concentrations together with absence of response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone, and subsequently by normal values of basal thyrotropin concentration and normal responses to releasing hormone while serum thyroxine and tri-iodothyronine concentrations were subnormal. Decreased thyrotropin reserve persisted for two to five weeks. Detectable values of serum thyrotropin (less than 1.2 muU per milliliter) and a normal 131l uptake usually occurred concurrently in two to three weeks. Serum thyroxine concentration returned to normal at least four weeks after hormone withdrawal.

Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function afte... [N Engl J Med. 1975] - PubMed - NCBI

[toppinm]

yes because death and comas are over blown insulin is dangerous yes its possible to do with no ill effects but theres an incredibly fine line with slin between safe and screwed

No, that's propaganda. If this were true no one would prescribe insulin dependent diabetics insulin. It's perfectly safe when taken in moderation or with correct dieting.

[dlex]

you truely have no understanding of medicine diabetics require insulin to keep in a state of homeostasis with out in they will enter a coma or die iv seen it first hand
also a close relative of mine will be on thyroxine for the rest of her life her levels are naturally low if the same was true she wouldnt have that
also i do agree some things are myths like the aas prostate cancer theres actually been a proven link between high test levels in young men being less likely to contract prostate cancer

[toppinm]

And I've seen fat **** diabetics with insulin pumps eat lean pockets as a primary source of nutrition. Meanwhile i know 0 bodybuilders who have gone into a diabetic coma.

[dlex]

the insulin pump works on a constant system now a few on it and ya alot of peoples own fault they get it and its not fair the uber healthy die from it but thats the world we live in unfortunetly