Second Cycle Advice

**AliYousaf** · 07-14-2013, 11:57 AM

Hi. I have successfully completed my first cycle which was Test-E only. Had wonderful results. I am done with PCT .. Had no sides at all off course with the help and support provided in these forums. my labs just returned and I am good.

I am planning to start my second cycle this September. Will be needing your precious time and advice again.

Week 1-6. 30mg dbol ED.
Week1-12 500mg Test-E
Week1-12 200 mg Deca
Week1-12 .25-0.5 Adex ED depending on my stats.
Week1-14 Hcg 250 iu a twice a week.

I know most of you guys would say stay on the basic and cut the deca out or perhaps use it with Test Cyp. There's a reason I am adding Deca Since my last cycle I have been feeling pain in my wrists and have Tennis elbow. I am expecting deca will do some good here. I ordered MSM for my joint pains as well. Test Cyp is too ****ing hard to get in this part of the world and I don't have any idea why..

Pct will begin
Begins wk 13 to wk 17

Clomid 75/50/50/50 ED
Nolva 40/20/20/20 ED.

Thanks.

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**Chx beach 79** · 07-14-2013, 12:00 PM

I would just run test and deca ... I personally thing dbol is garbage, but that is just my preference. deca is a great compound!

And run the deca at 400 instead, I did it for my second cycle and saw amazing results!

**Back In Black** · 07-14-2013, 12:01 PM

What was your previous cycle?

Compounds?
Length?
Pct ended?
Results?

**austinite** · 07-14-2013, 12:02 PM

Yeah, just try deca /test. Good mix. Run your AI for 16 weeks. PCT starts 2 weeks after last test injection, not one week.

**DexterMorgan** · 07-14-2013, 12:15 PM

I would run deca week 1-10 rather than 12, due to it's half-life.

**AliYousaf** · 07-14-2013, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

What was your previous cycle?

Compounds?
Length?
Pct ended?
Results?

My first cycle was Test-E only for 12 Weeks.. PCT ended in June this year. I will start my second cycle in September this year.
Results are amazing I gained 20 pounds.. And retained 15 lbs.

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**AliYousaf** · 07-14-2013, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Yeah, just try deca/test. Good mix. Run your AI for 16 weeks. PCT starts 2 weeks after last test injection, not one week.

Thanks Austinite .. My bad.. I started PCT two weeks after my last Test E shot in first cycle. This is gonna be the same. Thanks again :-)

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**Back In Black** · 07-14-2013, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by AliYousaf

My first cycle was Test-E only for 12 Weeks.. PCT ended in June this year. I will start my second cycle in September this year.
Results are amazing I gained 20 pounds.. And retained 15 lbs.

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So 12 weeks plus 2 weeks plus 4 weeks PCT = 18weeks which is the recommended time off. How long are you taking off?

What happened to the winny?

**AliYousaf** · 07-14-2013, 12:46 PM

I was planning to go with Winy towards the end of my first cycle. But that shit was garbage.. I tried to get injectables but couldn't get any.. So I discontinued.

About timing thing I didn't get you. Do you say 18 week is the minimum recommended time off ??

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**Back In Black** · 07-14-2013, 12:48 PM

Time on plus pct is the recommended time off, so yes, 18 weeks.

Do you have pre and post cycle bloodwork?

**AliYousaf** · 07-14-2013, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

Time on plus pct is the recommended time off, so yes, 18 weeks.

Do you have pre and post cycle bloodwork?

So I should start in October then instead of September. Damn.. You are good Backie :-)

Yeah I did Pre and post Blood work. Post was four weeks after PCT ended. It's ok.

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**AliYousaf** · 07-14-2013, 12:54 PM

Or even November. ... I get the point. TIME OFF should be 18 weeks.

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**AliYousaf** · 07-14-2013, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Chx beach 79

I would just run test and deca ... I personally thing dbol is garbage, but that is just my preference. deca is a great compound!

And run the deca at 400 instead, I did it for my second cycle and saw amazing results!

I thought 200 Mg of Deca would be sufficient with 500mg of Test-E. but I'll definitely give it a thought.
Deca and Test-E mix well in the syringe and can be injected simultaneously.. Right ??

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**AliYousaf** · 07-14-2013, 03:04 PM

How about Sustanon 250 mg with the same cycle. Would it make any difference if I use Sust250 instead of Deca or I go with both of them with Test-E. need suggestions.

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**Back In Black** · 07-14-2013, 03:33 PM

What do you think sustanon is?

**AliYousaf** · 07-14-2013, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

What do you think sustanon is?

It's Testosterone .. Multi kinda thing. Mixture of various types I guess. I get the point. There's no point doing it with Test-E :-) ok dumb question. I admit.

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**DexterMorgan** · 07-14-2013, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by DexterMorgan

I would run deca week 1-10 rather than 12, due to it's half-life.

OP hope you didn't ignore this.

Looks like you're going to start PCT few days after the last shot. This PCT would be pointless. Wait to start PCT at least 3 weeks after the last shot if you're going to run deca 1-12. Deca has a longer half-life than test-e. This is why you need to run deca wk 1-10 and test wk 1-12, that way you can begin pct 2 wks after the last pinn.
And don't run HCG on PCT.

Originally Posted by AliYousaf

Hi. I have successfully completed my first cycle which was Test-E only. Had wonderful results. I am done with PCT .. Had no sides at all off course with the help and support provided in these forums. my labs just returned and I am good.

I am planning to start my second cycle this September. Will be needing your precious time and advice again.

Week 1-6. 30mg dbol ED.
Week1-12 500mg Test-E
Week1-12 200 mg Deca
Week1-12 .25-0.5 Adex ED depending on my stats.
Week1-14 Hcg 250 iu a twice a week.

I know most of you guys would say stay on the basic and cut the deca out or perhaps use it with Test Cyp. There's a reason I am adding Deca Since my last cycle I have been feeling pain in my wrists and have Tennis elbow. I am expecting deca will do some good here. I ordered MSM for my joint pains as well. Test Cyp is too ****ing hard to get in this part of the world and I don't have any idea why..

Pct will begin
Begins wk 13 to wk 17

Clomid 75/50/50/50 ED
Nolva 40/20/20/20 ED.

Thanks.

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**AliYousaf** · 07-14-2013, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by DexterMorgan

OP hope you didn't ignore this.

Looks like you're going to start PCT few days after the last shot. This PCT would be pointless. Wait to start PCT at least 3 weeks after the last shot if you're going to run deca 1-12. Deca has a longer half-life than test-e. This is why you need to run deca wk 1-10 and test wk 1-12, that way you can begin pct 2 wks after the last pinn.
And don't run HCG on PCT.

Thanks Dexter. So you suggest Three weeks to start PCT instead of mostly recommended Two. Is this because of Deca ??
How can I ignore any free advice mate..this forum saved my ass from any expected or unexpected sides.
Deca for 10 weeks only. Got it. :-)

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**DexterMorgan** · 07-14-2013, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by AliYousaf

Thanks Dexter. So you suggest Three weeks to start PCT instead of mostly recommended Two. Is this because of Deca ??
How can I ignore any free advice mate..this forum saved my ass from any expected or unexpected sides.
Deca for 10 weeks only. Got it. :-)

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I would run test 2 weeks longer than deca. And then start PCT 2 weeks after the last shot.
And the mostly recommended 2 weeks is for Test-e or c.

**AliYousaf** · 07-14-2013, 11:52 PM

Yeah got it... Can deca and Test-E be mixed into one syringe ?? Or I must inject them sperate ??

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**Gaspaco** · 07-15-2013, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by AliYousaf

Yeah got it... Can deca and Test-E be mixed into one syringe ?? Or I must inject them sperate ??

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You can mix them

**MajorPectorial** · 07-15-2013, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by DexterMorgan

I would run test 2 weeks longer than deca . And then start PCT 2 weeks after the last shot.
And the mostly recommended 2 weeks is for Test-e or c.

Same. Sound advice. N u could stick with good pair like that if ur making good gains. Remember to keep weighing and adjusting your macros to grow

**kawasaki** · 07-15-2013, 06:46 AM

Test 16 week and DECA 14 weeks . What I have read here stop DECA a few weeks before the last of test . Works better for recovery . It worked great for me .

**kawasaki** · 07-15-2013, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by AliYousaf

Yeah got it... Can deca and Test-E be mixed into one syringe ?? Or I must inject them sperate ??

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Don't be cheep do them separate .

**Chx beach 79** · 07-15-2013, 07:24 AM

I alway mix them and have never had a issue...

**AliYousaf** · 07-15-2013, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Chx beach 79

I alway mix them and have never had a issue...

Yeah thanks man.. I am thinking of doing the same :-)

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**AliYousaf** · 07-23-2013, 11:11 AM

Hi guys.. I have been reading a lot in Forums and on the main site. I have researched my local market for the gear as well. I was initially thinking of getting Masteron for the second cycle. But I am not sure if I can get it. Proviron on the other hand is available to me. So what do you guys suggest. How to add Proviron (Masterolone) and T4 to my cycle. I am not fan of T3 due to its severe nature of attacking muscle.
I am looking for a lean, clean and hard look in the end.

So my basic cycle goes like this
Test E 500 mg from week 1-12
Deca 200 mg from week 1-10
Dbol . 30. mg Ed. Week 1-6
Adex .25 to 0.5 mg ED.
Hcg . 250 iu twice a week from week 1- 14
Proviron 50 mg ED From week 7- till the beginning of PCT
T4 200 mcg Ed week 7 till the beginning of pct

Pct two weeks after last shot of Test.

I am looking for suggestions.
Cheers.

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**itsjayman02** · 07-23-2013, 12:25 PM

I would drop the dbol .......but if you must 40-50mg for 4 weeks

**AliYousaf** · 07-24-2013, 09:11 AM

Yeah man.. Thanks. I personally don't like the bloating effects.. Reducing Dbol to 4 weeks looks like a sound idea.

I wish I get some feed back on the cycle from others too..

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**ghettoboyd** · 07-24-2013, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by kawasaki

Don't be cheep do them separate .

there is nothing cheap about mixing in one pin...and only having to do one injection saves injection sites from scar tissue that can develop over time...also some peeps like myself like to mix deca with high dose test to cut back on the pip so there are other reasons to mix compounds in the same pin...just throwing that out there fyi...

**AliYousaf** · 07-24-2013, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

there is nothing cheap about mixing in one pin...and only having to do one injection saves injection sites from scar tissue that can develop over time...also some peeps like myself like to mix deca with high dose test to cut back on the pip so there are other reasons to mix compounds in the same pin...just throwing that out there fyi...

Haha. Yes absolutely.... Any advice on the cycle though??

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