Trenbolone Acetate: Side effects hits in, but no positive?

[NormalizeThem]

This board is for informational purposes...... And the information we give is generally for the safest usage possible.

This thread is not for a newcomer and this by no means reflects the general "advice" given to members.

With that said..... You seem to have done your homework. If you have EVERYTHING else in order then I'd say to cut ur tren dosage in half. I just can't see a reason to start tren at 700 mgs for a first go. You are young and you CAN burn yourself out. If you want to have a long successful bodybuilding career you need to make progress but at a steady pace. Don't SLAM all these hormones into your body, win a show or two, and then fall off the face of the earth. You're already ahead - stay that way without downright abusing steroids .

Hope the advice finds you well.....

Best of luck

You are correct, I do abuse steroids. Its my mentality that I need high dosage and dont care what will happend. So far ive never had healthy issues, but im considering chilling on orals, since imo there are the most dangerous steroids of all duh to liver issues

[NormalizeThem]

If you're goal is to be a pro bodybuilder, it is true you won't be doing things like the every day gear user. There's undoubtedly a lot more risk involved and generally the same rules do not apply. That doesn't mean you should do it, it just means you should recognize the risk.

As for age, I remember reading a few years ago back when Tony Freeman turned pro, the average age of a bodybuilder earning his pro card was 32. Sure, younger guys do earn pro cards, Heath being a good example, but the days of most being in their early to mid-20's is long, long gone. There are very few that turn pro with only a few years of bodybuilding training and gear use under their belt. Again, Heath being a current notable exception. Most have been doing what they do for a decade or more.

Amateurs with the goal of turning pro...when you see a guy turn pro, you'll notice the really good ones don't get massively huge until after they turn pro. They'll use a large amount of gear to turn pro, but it often increases exponentially once they turn pro.

For the off-season amateur, Tren isn't always needed, but butt loads is when it's contest time. The exception can be during the off-season some will use it to help with plateaus. Large amounts of Test and Deca are common with butt loads of HGH. If Tren is used, it's not uncommon for there to be a rotation between Deca and Tren. Just an example:

WK 1-8 Nandrolone /Test
WK 7-15 Tren/Test
WK 14-20 Nandrolone/Test
...and so on and so on.
And I'm not saying this is all that's used by any means. IGF-1 is very common. But this is just a good example of possible off-season Tren/Nandro use. Dbol in 4-6wk rotations is also common.

Anyway, just some thoughts and observations. Take it or leave it

Tony freeman is a great motivation, I mean look at his age when he became a pro. Nothing is impossible if you work hard for it.

I think your making a great point about tren, I have the same ide about insulin and peptides, I dont really want to use it until il make a plateau.
Yeah, good old deca+test+gh is very comon in offseason and for sure is enough. Im just doing tren+halo right now for some fun.

Offseason im always on deca+test+gh+dbol blastings.

IGF-1 ive done before, insane pumps and for sure makes u bigger. Will start using it again in like 1-2months, last time was 75mcg before workout. Il probally do it 100mcg now.

Great advice man, thanks alot!

[NormalizeThem]

may i ask what you do for a job? OP

Working at a gym as personal trainer and diet planer.

>almost hited a guy today
>hited

that might be the funniest thing ive seen all day.

thanks OP.

[NormalizeThem]

Age means nothing to me, especially if the person has their mind made up. But if your going to run compounds, make sure to run them correctly and not run them simply because the guy at the gym gave you your bottle.

So from your thread it appears you are worried about the sides; well, with TREN you will see all those.

Great man, I dont really care about my age. Most pro that starts young need to use steroids in order to have a fair change imo.
Hehe, im never worried about sides, sides have never been an issue for me - I dont give a shit unless its liver or BP issues.

IFBB PRO BODYBUILDER Dallas Mccarver is a good example of a YOUNG Bodybuilder on many compounds with proper nutrition. Stay true to your goals man and don't listen to negative people. Just mature, grow up and be smart in what you do.

If your goal is to do Olympia, GOOD!!! Don't listen to the haters on here; the ones that will really never make it. if you have a goal stick to it and keep trucking forward man. That's a good but big goal, Big Goal, big sacrifices, little goals, little sacrifices

Yeah Dallas is young, he is like 22 and BSN sponsorship. However I dont think he belongs in the IFBB, way to small for it. He got the pro card by luck since the competition he won for it lacked many great people. But yes, he is really big for his age and 22 and IFBB is just amazing! However I dont like dallas personal...

Thanks man for the coaching, I dont give a shit what people think. Ive lost alot of things since I only, eat-train-work-sleep. I dont have a social life what so ever....

Great man, thanks for believing in me. Afterall only I can prove myself right or wrong. Either I believe in myself and set the bar high and work my ass off. Or I dont believe in myself and become some average person with normal goals...

Thanks again, being a pro means for sure alot of sacrifices

[NormalizeThem]

That's a very large goal but if you truly believe your destined for it then I wish you the very best!!! You have great genetics but IMO your calves need a little work

Thanks man, you really think I have good genetics? Yeah, my calves needs more work or some synthol? Hehe, jk...

Op, good luck with your endeavor. It seems you have a good head on your shoulders and have been putting in the time and effort. You've gotten some good advice by the guys above. I'll leave you with only one thought: Have a plan B. You still need to make a living and have a viable future if in fact things don't work out as planned. Be prepared as even an injury can sideline you. Finish your education if you have not, etc.

Best of luck.

True man, but im way to tunnel vision right now for a plan B. I guess if it fails, il work my ass of in the healthy industry or coach other people.
Thanks alot for the positive man, I really appreciate it.

[NormalizeThem]

I gotta kinda side with Crazy Mike. Im all for it being legal and taking but I worry about you younger kids. I started with dbol and test when I was 22 so I cant ppreach too much but they were small dosages. Anyways best of luck to you.
As for my exp with tren Im 39 and just started it for the first time ever a few weeks ago. I tried 100 MG EOD and it scared me a little bit. I got what my buddy says is tren cough? Don't know, but man I could feel it immedietly like hit me in my chest area for some reason. I inject in my ass so when I stood up it hit me like right now!! So I backed of to 75 and it I don't get this. I get a little sweat at night not much. I sleep pretty well but Im also no GH and this is supposed to help sleep so who knows. Maybe just do 50 mg for Tren and go with that and then as you get older up it? I don't know. good luck

That suckes, ive never had the cough so far. GH helps me sleep ALOT better then before, i think ghrp2/6 also helps with sleep if u have issues with it.
Il stay on 100mg ed, since im starting to feel some good stuff from tren now.

[NormalizeThem]

Define fine. You felt fine or blood work showed your liver values were fine? Run Ursodiol or NAC when you do this if not already.

Define fine. You felt fine or blood work showed your liver values were fine? Run Ursodiol or NAC when you do this if not already.

Never had high enzymes results from liver tests and never above 135/75 in bp.
I always run milk thistle, nac, liv52, grapefruit+cranberry jucie on orals.

I also run it 1 month after the orals just to make sure the liver is healing well, and always clean and good food. Never ever alcohol what so ever, I maybe drink alcohol once a year, if even that.

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I got insane pump yday + vascular from training arms yesterday. Not strength gains yet doh, I did however manage 2 more reps on the narrow bench press

Normally i do 4 set of 10 on 320 narrow benchpress, I manage today doing 2 extra reps each set.
So im happy, il give u guys some pictures of my arms from yday workout



By the way, thanks for all the great advice I got. You guys are for sure some really nice guys with a lot knowledge. I will for sure stay on this forum and learn from guys like you. Really nice mentality on this board, thanks again! love u all.

[kelkel]

When you get older you may get veins like this guy if you keep at it. He can be a real ars at times though!

[NormalizeThem]

When you get older you may get veins like this guy if you keep at it. He can be a real ars at times though!

****ing hell, is that your legs+arms?
I love those legs, id walk around in tights every leg day!

I'm working a lot on my legs currently since I know the importance of big legs+back in BB (ofc everything else also, but look at ronnie/jay etc - they are famous for legs+backs).
As you saw, my legs are kinda fat but still has some mass on them. Since there is no reason really for me to cut il just keep bulking, when I feel I want to go below 10%- I hope to have some veiny legs like those mf

[Cuz]

When you get older you may get veins like this guy if you keep at it. He can be a real ars at times though!