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    First Cycle Critique Please

    Hey guys,

    So I'd like to present to you my proposed first cycle. I have spent the previous few months prepping for this cycle by reading all I could, training hard and eating right.

    Stats first

    Height - 5'11
    Weight - 89kg
    Age - 29
    BF% - 16%
    Lift History - 3yrs
    Cycle History - 0

    Cycle

    Week 1 - 12 Test-E @ 600mg p/week [300mg Monday Morning - 300mg Thursday Night]
    Week 1 - 4 Dianabol @ 30mg p/day

    Week 1 - 13 HCG @ 250ui [Twice Per Week]

    Week 1 - 14 Aromasin @ 20mg p/day

    PCT - [14 Days After Last Pin]

    Clomid - 100 / 75 / 75 / 50
    Nolva 40 / 20 / 20 / 20


    This will be used for bulking and I am hoping my math and compounds are correct and through that I am able to minimize sides and increase gain retention.
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    12 weeks for long ester IMO!!

    Drop the dbol and run test only for first run.

    Hcg whole cycle 250iu twice a week.

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    Definetly longer with the test e
    12-16 weeks


    If your to run dbol no need to go over 30mg for your first run

    Aromasin will be 12.5 or 25 mg

    Pct shouldn't ever need o run 300mg clomid

    Maybe first 3 days 150mg

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    First avol were did you read up 300mg clomid no no no
    long est 12 wk not 8wks
    hcg 2x 250iu wk not ed
    pct clomid 100 75 75 50 nolva 40 20 20 20. 14 days after your last pin
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    Ok thanks for the heads up guys.

    Based on your information I have edited the post to reflect the changes you suggested

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    Ok this is exactly why I posted this, some great feedback I've very appreciative guys.

    The 300mg clomid was read on one of the stickies on this site, there was a few conflicting choices so I went with the higher one and was hoping for feedback to correct any mistakes.

    Thanks again guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dom1983
    Ok thanks for the heads up guys.

    Based on your information I have edited the post to reflect the changes you suggested
    You may have To dose the aromasin 25mg eod/Ed depending on water retention and sides and since it is suicidal it should be run all the way through pct and even one week past your serm you don't have to worry about estrogen rebound with aromasin

    If you just stop the ai right before pct your estrogen levels are going to go crazy during pct

    Also make sure you wait long enough after your last pin to start pct generally 2 weeks

    Also you may want to add something for cortisol to pct

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mp859 View Post
    You may have To dose the aromasin 25mg eod/Ed depending on water retention and sides and since it is suicidal it should be run all the way through pct and even one week past your serm you don't have to worry about estrogen rebound with aromasin

    If you just stop the ai right before pct your estrogen levels are going to go crazy during pct

    Also make sure you wait long enough after your last pin to start pct generally 2 weeks

    Also you may want to add something for cortisol to pct

    Good point, what would you suggestion be then, should I slowly lower my amount of AI during PCT then as to release the estrogen back slowly?

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    You do not need to run your AI through pct and maybe 1 wk past op the best thing you could do is read up and educate yourself and have a look at the beginner cycles

    AI wk 1-12
    hcg stop 3-4 days before pct
    start pct 14 day's after your last pin
    Last edited by clarky.; 07-31-2013 at 04:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarky. View Post
    You do not need to run your AI through pct and maybe 1 wk past op the best thing you could do is read up and educate yourself and have a look at the beginner cycles
    Yea I will still be reading while I await the order, though you can understand my confusion when you say not to run the AI through PCT but another member says the opposite :P

    I understand the point both are making and will definately look for a clear answer the best time to stop my AI before I start the cycle.

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    Yes dom that would be confusing all the info you need is on this forum

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    Ok so based on further feedback I have again made revisions, though after reading a thread by a banned member called Swifto on AI's I am confident that I am now squared on that front.

    A massive thank you for the information you provided

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    I'm new here and I don't know too much about gear, but one of the first rules I learned on this site is that it is recommended to have the BF% under 15%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagittarius View Post
    I'm new here and I don't know too much about gear, but one of the first rules I learned on this site is that it is recommended to have the BF% under 15%.
    Generally speaking, but I have enough estrogen control going on to not worry too much about Gyno. And 16% isnt exactly far off :P

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