help cycle

**gymjunkie30** · 08-03-2013, 02:26 AM

Hey guys wanted a mass cycle how does this look.

Wk 1-4 dbol 30 mg
Wk 1-12 test e 600wk
Wk 5-12 tren a 50 eod

Only been on a few cycles but interested in using the tren a ive had for over a year.

**gymjunkie30** · 08-03-2013, 02:30 AM

I know im gunna get shit about my weight but im not tiny just a small frame.

Age 30
5 11
Weight 165
Bf 9%

**gymjunkie30** · 08-03-2013, 02:31 AM

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**Back In Black** · 08-03-2013, 02:35 AM

A few cycles to get there indicates poor nutrition guidelines.

You need food buddy, you can't grow without that, no matter what.

Please spend lots of time in our nutrition forum.

**gymjunkie30** · 08-03-2013, 02:41 AM

Im 30 so my 1st cycle was about 8 years ago, my body fat was high and I knew nothing about nutrition. My 2nd and 3rd cycle happened in the last 2 years and I started cycle around 145, had been training in the gym 5x a week 2 years prior but on a deficit, I lost 90lbs.

**gymjunkie30** · 08-03-2013, 02:42 AM

So seriously have had 2 good cycles amd gained about 10lbs in each.

Insert troll comments

**gymjunkie30** · 08-03-2013, 02:49 AM

Before, skinny as ****

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**Back In Black** · 08-03-2013, 02:52 AM

Even if you hadn't cycled I would argue you are 20lbs too light.

You could easily have got where you are now without gear.

You need your diet evaluating please use our nutrition forum.

**gymjunkie30** · 08-03-2013, 02:53 AM

Another pic of me, here when I was fat. 3 years ago

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So point is I want size, I think I learned about nutrition but a foundation takes time. Im using aas cuz im 30 and didnt want to look like a skinny kid anymore.

**Back In Black** · 08-03-2013, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by gymjunkie30

Another pic of me, here when I was fat. 3 years ago

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So point is I want size, I think I learned about nutrition but a foundation takes time. Im using aas cuz im 30 and didnt want to look like a skinny kid anymore.

Quick fix it is then, good luck, I don't intend to waste my time any more.

Don't forget to let us know 6 weeks after your PCT how effective it all was for you and what your net weight gain was.

I'm gonna assume you have you on cycle ancillaries and pct sorted.

**gymjunkie30** · 08-03-2013, 03:47 AM

I dont see why you have to bash my physique when you yourself didnt have a developed physique in your before pic at 180, your body fat was still a tad high putting you just a few lbs higher than me. Anyhow this isnt about me asking about nutrition im familiar where those threads are I was asking for help with my cycle if you have some input on that share if not go check out the nutrition forum since you seem to be quite fond of it. Maybe you should have read nutrition before your cycle no?

**Back In Black** · 08-03-2013, 03:52 AM

I had over 15lbs on you, after you had cycled twice, and gained more on my first cycle than you did in 2.

As I said, good luck.

**gymjunkie30** · 08-03-2013, 03:56 AM

You gained more than 20lbs of muscle in one cycle? Ok sure

**Back In Black** · 08-03-2013, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by gymjunkie30

You gained more than 20lbs of muscle in one cycle? Ok sure

Just because you didn't doesn't mean it can't be done.

See what proper nutrition can do for you.

**gymjunkie30** · 08-03-2013, 04:31 AM

I gained about 22 each time but after the water weight went away and I did a cut to shred the little extra fat I gained I did have a solid 10lbs of muscle on my frame both times that I still carry. 20lbs of muscle in a year is good imo. Maybe possible naturally if your complete newb to the gym but I already had 2 years experience but on a deficit, I was incredibly overweight.

Unless your first cycle was a ton of diff compounds I dont see how u would gain more than 20lbs of muscle unless its a 24 week cycle smh

If you weigh 190 now and claim to have gained 20lbs of muscle your first cycle then what were you weighing in at pre aas. Meaning youve done a few cycles and weigh 190 means you should be giving yourself the same advice u gave me. Peace

**Back In Black** · 08-03-2013, 04:59 AM

See, you underestimate the power of nutrition. Today I am several lbs of fat leaner and 15lbs heavier in actual weight than on day 1 of my cycle. That lasted 13 weeks, 8 weeks prop then 5 weeks at a TRT dose with the lady 4 weeks including var.

I am now 6 weeks or so post cycle.

If you are happy with your gain after one year and 2 cycles then that's good. But coming off a deficit gaining is easier, not harder.

**gymjunkie30** · 08-03-2013, 08:44 AM

Bump

**boz** · 08-03-2013, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by gymjunkie30

Bump

If your going to bump at least ask a question? Its clear to say back has given u all the advice you need......... FOOD. Either take that advice or dont. Either way quit bumping a pointless thread.