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    Bigdaddy26 is offline New Member
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    Help With Short Ester to Long Ester Transition

    Hey Guys, I'm planning out my third cycle. Want to do Test only. I dont like to pin every 2'nd day but I want the benefits of using test prop. So I would like to kick start the cycle with prop AND end the cycle with prop. All my research leads me to believe I should do a cycle that looks like this:

    wk 1-4 Test P (750/wk)
    wk 1-10 Test C (750/wk)
    wk 11-14 Test P (750/wk)
    PCT 3 days after Last Injection

    However looking at this, the dose must be significantly higher at some point because of the first week. My question is: What is the best way to transition between a long ester and a short ester, without significantly changing the desired dose(750/wk) or blood stability.

    My info:

    26 Years old
    3rd Cycle
    195 pounds 5' 11
    13ish bodyfat
    I have all my PCT, AI, and HCG set already.

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    Awful light for a third cycle... I'd go throw your diet in the nutrition section for critiquing, it's for the sake of your gains.

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    Bigdaddy26 is offline New Member
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    Anyone have an answer to this question?

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    There is no way of avoiding the spikes and dips. That's what everyone who uses "Kick-starters" deals with. Avoid it by not doing it.

    side note: really strange cycle protocol you got there.
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    your looking at close to 50 pins for the entire cycle...

    if you went for a 8 week test p cycle (pinning EOD), you'd pin 28 times... and blood serum levels will be much more stable than your plan..

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    You can plot out the cumululative half life of the Esters on a spreadsheet. Use these half lives. Testosterone Cypionate 12 days and Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days. Just add up the cumulative concentration in the blood and you can adjust your injection timing of the Prop to minimize the spiking. You won't be able to help spiking but you can minimize it. My recommendation would be just stay with 14 weeks of Test Cyp and be done with it.

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    Thanks for the tips. I may just do the Test C only. However I feel like if someone figured out the correct dosing scheme, transitioning between the short and long esters would be the superior way.

    ScotchGaurd02, I've considered doing what you mentioned calculating half lives to figure out the required dosing to keep a stable level. I used pct.befit4free.net/index.php, to map out the accumulated Test each day. I quickly noticed when dealing with half lives, the amount in your system is not the amount active. So After 30 days at 750mg/wk of Test C you may have 2000mg in your system, but it is mostly depot, not active.

    If you don't understand what I mean, plot 750mgs Test E, and 750mgs Test P on the site i linked. You'll see that the test P always has a low amount of test in your system, even though the dosing and active test are the same.

    Does anyone know how to calculate the active amount of Test in your system using half lives? I would imagine its the amount decayed off the total amount in your system on a day by day basis, but im just speculating.

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