AAS that's don't bind to receptors?

**Dtrain17** · 08-04-2013, 09:41 AM

I've used 3 cycles of test from 5 different labs, I felt all of the negative side affects but not a single positive, always with test. Even test prop 700/week for 3.5 weeks, I stopped because I got gyno but not even up 1lbs on the scale.

I won't get into details because I had other threads about it, but I'm thinking Winstrol could work because it doesn't bind to receptors, if that is the issue. And tren maybe even because it's stronger and works differently but of course there's lots of other options. I couldn't find in a search on google but what are some steroids that's work a lot differently in your body than test, or that don't bind to receptors? Thanks !

**DexterMorgan** · 08-04-2013, 09:56 AM

Double post

**DexterMorgan** · 08-04-2013, 09:57 AM

If you can't use test, then sorry steroids are not for you.

Were you using AI during your cycles?

**Dtrain17** · 08-04-2013, 10:05 AM

Aromasin 25mg eod and last cycle adex 0.5 eod, made gyno stop, used nolva to get rid of gyno.

**DexterMorgan** · 08-04-2013, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Dtrain17

Aromasin 25mg eod and last cycle adex 0.5 eod, made gyno stop, used nolva to get rid of gyno.

Test should be the base of all your cycles. You can't just use Winny or Var by itself. You can try lower dose of test with var, or test+deca .

What kind of negative side effects were you getting?

**austinite** · 08-04-2013, 10:11 AM

Sounds like you might have an issue with your diet. Then again, I don't respond positively to Trenbolone , I just get negative side effects.

And winstrol does bind to ar. lower affinity than testosterone , but it does.

**G0D** · 08-04-2013, 10:16 AM

dianabol binds very weakly to teh receptor.

funny you dint gain even 1lb of muscle , definitely something disastrously wrong somewhere ?

**Bonaparte** · 08-04-2013, 10:17 AM

Dbol and Drol are the 2 main steroids that bind poorly to the AR but are still very effective.

**Dtrain17** · 08-04-2013, 10:33 AM

First 2 cycles was test E at 500/week for 10 weeks, both cycles were aromasin eod for one, e3d for the other, I was just depressed, no energy, missed the gym cause i'd come home and fall asleep for 8 hrs after work. This last cycle I felt normal, prop at 700/week, adex added in at around day 6 when I found that I WOULD get gyno without one, just benching the bar felt like my chest was going to rip it hurt so much.
Diet's 6 meals a day, plus 2 shakes protein 300-350/ carbs 300/ fat 120, all approximate....I've come a long way and trained for 5 years, i'm 22 which is young I know, 6'0 190lbs and as far as 'you can eat more' you can eat less and i'm sure you'd gain more than 0lbs off 700 prop.

**Dtrain17** · 08-04-2013, 10:36 AM

My last cycle too, I ended it at 3.5 weeks and did use winny to see what would happen, and 5 days later my bench went up quite a bit but weight is still the same so idk, I think winny may work. I'll see and thanks for the replies.

**austinite** · 08-04-2013, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Dtrain17

First 2 cycles was test E at 500/week for 10 weeks, both cycles were aromasin eod for one, e3d for the other, I was just depressed, no energy, missed the gym cause i'd come home and fall asleep for 8 hrs after work. This last cycle I felt normal, prop at 700/week, adex added in at around day 6 when I found that I WOULD get gyno without one, just benching the bar felt like my chest was going to rip it hurt so much.
Diet's 6 meals a day, plus 2 shakes protein 300-350/ carbs 300/ fat 120, all approximate....I've come a long way and trained for 5 years, i'm 22 which is young I know, 6'0 190lbs and as far as 'you can eat more' you can eat less and i'm sure you'd gain more than 0lbs off 700 prop.

Actually if you eat less than your expenditure, you will gain 0 lbs, even with 1000mg of prop.

**Back In Black** · 08-04-2013, 10:42 AM

Yeah, 3500cals at 190lbs is pretty much maintenance for me. You need to eat.

**Dtrain17** · 08-04-2013, 10:57 AM

So you guys wouldn't even gain anything on your lifts? I've worked my way up to deadlifting 550lbs naturally at 190lbs, I'd expect some gains from aas.
You guys never heard of kids in highschool eating poptarts that get big cause they use aas? And never saw studies that show people on aas who don't train lose fat/gain lbm.... I eat as much as I can as it is, like I just ate 7 eggs and a whole grain bagel. I really try to eat as much as I can.

**Dtrain17** · 08-04-2013, 11:00 AM

In those macros, I'm not including say if a cup of oats is 60g/carbs. I don't add the protein or the fats to the calories at the end of the day so really that would add over 200 cals. Like even say the eggs I had, I had 28 calories of carbs there and probably 30-40 from the bagel that wasn't from the carbs. If I have to eat more i'm heading to mcdonald's everyday cause it's hard.

**austinite** · 08-04-2013, 11:05 AM

What is this poptarts talk? Just think logically here. How would you gain any weight if you're burning more calories than you're eating? So far you've mentioned everything but your daily expenditure or the amount of surplus you're in, which is indicative of a random diet/macro plan. Maybe I missed it somewhere...

btw, almost no one on earth needs 350 grams of protein.

**Dtrain17** · 08-04-2013, 11:15 AM

I understand that I need to be in a surplus, I gain a bit of fat when I eat more like right now i'm losing my abs, so I must be in a surplus.. and 350g protein is including the shakes, 50g in each...and a weight gainer so a bit over 350 lol. Maybe I need less protein, more carbs then.
How does no one on earth need 350g protein? A few guys at my gym have more than that.

**austinite** · 08-04-2013, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Dtrain17

I understand that I need to be in a surplus, I gain a bit of fat when I eat more like right now i'm losing my abs, so I must be in a surplus.. and 350g protein is including the shakes, 50g in each...and a weight gainer so a bit over 350 lol. Maybe I need less protein, more carbs then.
How does no one on earth need 350g protein? A few guys at my gym have more than that.

Well make up your mind, earlier you said you gained 0 lbs. Get a comprehensive metabolic panel and you'll see why you don't need so much protein. Probably all backed up.

**Dtrain17** · 08-04-2013, 11:40 AM

What do you mean all backed up? I'll get bw when pct is over. And I'll eat less protein more carbs.

**austinite** · 08-04-2013, 11:43 AM

Go to the nutrition section and post your complete diet including macros. It'll be worth getting some critique. Won't hurt.

**Dtrain17** · 08-04-2013, 11:54 AM

I'll get to it, I have before. Really in this thread I just wanted to know what other aas options there were. You probably read it before but I used peptides for 4 months and I didn't even get hungry at all from the ghrp-6, no side effects.
I took cialis for the first time ever at 9:45am today, it's 2pm now and I don't feel anything...my body's different lol.

**Juced_porkchop** · 08-04-2013, 12:25 PM

Diet and training are your issue, not aas, believe what you want...

**Dtrain17** · 08-04-2013, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop

Diet and training are your issue, not aas, believe what you want...

You're wrong. 700 mg test prop and I even added in winstrol for 5 days and the cycle was 3.5 weeks, and no weight gain, or off my previous 2 cycles and yet I have steadily increased bodyweight throughout this year adding about 5lbs, mostly off cycle because I've been off more than on. And i've gotten stronger.

I see people with shitty diets that look like they're on. Even with a bad diet I think you're supposed to at least feel something.... what do you feel when you take test?

**austinite** · 08-04-2013, 02:16 PM

Winstrol for 5 days? Is that a typo?

**Dtrain17** · 08-04-2013, 02:18 PM

Juced Porkchop - Even as Austinite said, he doesn't respond to tren just negative sides. But it must be his diet because everyones' bodies are all the exact same lol.

**Dtrain17** · 08-04-2013, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Winstrol for 5 days? Is that a typo?

No, it's that I was going to add it in for the last 4 weeks to see if I would respond to something other than test, but after I realized the test isn't going to 'kick in' so I stopped it all, one week later my bench went up though, only strength gains on that day.. like I normally could only do 225 for 3 and that's it, I could do it for maybe 10.

And yes I know you need higher reps than that but it's like i'm doing low reps for the first excercise then incrwasing.
And 700mg/test I know is a lot but I wanted to see if it would do anything different.

**austinite** · 08-04-2013, 02:24 PM

What lab makes your gear, and have you done any blood work to verify legitimacy?

**Java Man** · 08-04-2013, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Dtrain17

What do you mean all backed up? I'll get bw when pct is over. And I'll eat less protein more carbs.

Do you really need him to go into detail about what 'all backed up' means? Ewww.

**Java Man** · 08-04-2013, 05:15 PM

OOP, you said your stuff was UGL. Are you sure it was real?

Lol. Didn't see that Aust just asked this

**Dtrain17** · 08-04-2013, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

What lab makes your gear, and have you done any blood work to verify legitimacy?

I think I got what backed up means...lol I'm doing okay as far as that goes.
The ugl was from Canada where I live, Nova Apteka which is okay, this one was the first and bw showed that my test was really high, from what I remember the dr said it was supposed to be between 7.3? and 9? Around there, whatever that means...it was at 108 so way higher than normal

Then rage labs 1 vial which is junky. Eclipse which is a top one up here apparently, One from the UK which I don't remember the name but I can find it... And Pure Pharm, everyone in my area uses that and has results.
The last cycle was with the UK stuff and even without bloodwork I figured it's gotta be real, the gyno symptoms were real.
Really painful, somewhat sensitive just wearing a shirt bothered me.

**Dtrain17** · 08-04-2013, 06:18 PM

I didn't mean to get into detail on this anyways because it's been discussed. I found another guy on here that used the same amount of prop for same time, good sources and even 2 sources, and still no results, and his diet was "good".

It happens, just wanted to know more of what aas I could try, I have winny already so that would be the next one I guess. All 3 cycles too I broke out in acne, last cycle was the one with the gyno and I'd take a nap for 15-20m and wake up with my pillow drenched in sweat lol. Never happened before.

**Boxtrot** · 08-05-2013, 12:19 AM

Try a different source. Again. Your test may not be test, or whatever else you've gotten.

And what do you do for a job? i can eat like a trojan on my job (manual labour at a plant nursery) and not gain 1 gram. Yet if i try to eat enough the exhaustion + cooking/eating makes me want to quit after a week also working out + plus work is too taxing on the nervous system to even recover mentally let alone physically.

**Dtrain17** · 08-05-2013, 09:45 AM

I'm not exactly sure what your question is but I'm starting an apprenticeship for pipefitting so it's not too taxing, I'm doing overtime for a while now so in 10 hours I get a total of 50 minutes on break to eat, 2 ten's and 1 thirty minute break so It's hard to get the meals in but I eat as much as I can plus weight gainer shake and whey shake while at work..
And as for the test not being test, I used 5 different labs and 4 of the 5 should have been g2g.

**G0D** · 08-05-2013, 11:01 AM

what if you lost fat and put muscle at the same time.. you would sill be at the same weight but diff body composition !

**Boxtrot** · 08-06-2013, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by Dtrain17

I'm not exactly sure what your question is but I'm starting an apprenticeship for pipefitting so it's not too taxing, I'm doing overtime for a while now so in 10 hours I get a total of 50 minutes on break to eat, 2 ten's and 1 thirty minute break so It's hard to get the meals in but I eat as much as I can plus weight gainer shake and whey shake while at work..
And as for the test not being test, I used 5 different labs and 4 of the 5 should have been g2g.

I was implying that sometimes no matter how much you eat, your job gets in the way regardless. As far as being able to eat enough for calories spent from work and also being able to recover your nervous system.

You might be overtraining (yes work is included considering you are active buring calories opposted to resting) and not eating enough.

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 08-06-2013, 10:28 AM

i don't see why you couldn't increase the protein past 350, i mean i get 420 but my carbs and fat are nill. If your body wants glucose it will convert excess protein to it through gluconeogenesis. i eat like 2 lbs of meat a day, half beef half chicken, plus three shakes with 2.5-3 scoops...i dont get constipated ever(unless using ground beef...so use chuck mock tender steak instead, cheap and lean as ****) and my CBCs are flawless....but thats me.
IDK, to me i don't even have to try to get 420, i dont feel full and i'd like to eat more honestly. I'd "feel" satisfied at 550 and I could easilly eat 700g a day and not feel strained. I've even done a week at 1000, a bit of a chore but doable. And yes i was fat, and you dont need that much, but, i dont see why you couldnt go 450-600 for a bit.