Newb to all this and question about var

[Jamesjames]

So I have just completed 3 competitions over 7 weeks and did so 100% natty. I'm 22, 182lbs roughly a true 9% and decided I'm ready to hop on, picked up some anavar and clen from my trainer.

Been lifting roughly 4 years, 2 years of strict dieting and very strict weights. I've got liquid clen that I'm taking 1 full drop of per day notice great results after 13 days (will take 2 weeks off tomorrow).

Currently doing 10mg a day (total) of anavar just wondering if I will actually notice any difference? Been on for 11 days now and notice nothing aside from the clen is really helping.

My diet and training are 100% spot on and getting sufficient sleep. I've always heard less is more when it comes to gear and wanted to start off slow, any advice? I chose anavar for its minimal if any sides and that's also why I've been going so low dose. My view on it was that with a 100% clean proper diet the results should come.

[austinite]

10 mg? You might as well just drink a Red Bull, it would be more effective. A newborn baby could handle 10 mg with no issues.

[Jamesjames]

So if I bumped to 20 a day 10 in the morning 10 evening would it be better?

[Gaspaco]

So if I bumped to 20 a day 10 in the morning 10 evening would it be better?

50mg at least

[austinite]

So if I bumped to 20 a day 10 in the morning 10 evening would it be better?

Man, honestly you probably shouldn't be messing with steroids at your age anyway. Your dosing is way off which is indicative of poor research. Stick to natural building for another year or so while you educate yourself. Wasting your money on one of the most expensive compounds. You're not even remotely close, brother. And even if you did get close, which it doesn't sound like you're ready for, you shouldnt do it without testosterone.

Back to the drawing board.

[Jamesjames]

trying not to do anything harsh just because im so young, thats why i figured the low low dose anavar, not really looking to stack on a ton of size anyhow, looking for more of the harder look. Natural bodybuilding is a joke as i dont think ive ever seen anyone over 185lbs contest day that was actually natural. just looking for something mild to assist the development, didnt really want to run test so young.

[austinite]

I understand. It's a waste of money though, James. So it's probably just best to wait.

[agent88]

If you already made up your mind your going to do what you want. Id say wait as well. Im not as gear smart as half the people on here as I am only doing my first pinning cycle now. I am how ever a personal trainer and Very Experienced with Orals. How tall are you? If you have good recptors and are tall and lean have good pharm grade var 30 mg will work wonders...for a male 20 is absolute minimum..some guys will take up to a 100 a day. Both cause they have deep pockets and have alot to cut. Your already 9% at 182. If you went through puberty early like 7th or 8th grade maybe id say maybe start if you want...if you were at late bloomer like me not shaving till you were 20 I def would hold off. Your stats are pretty godly for being natty. You should kno the results you will get from var you can achieve easily with your knowledge

[agent88]

You might gain 4 or 5 pounds n lose a bit more body fat. Your strength will go up but bro yer natty test at 22 is prolly over 600. Go buy a sweet A No2 supp and keep killin it in the gym.

[Jamesjames]

I'm 5'11 used to be 250 lbs 3 years ago so for me I'm just ready to be at the level I want to get to. I know it's a little early thinkin ill up to 20 a day. I have great genetics but the guys I'm competing against are just a bit better and on chit, thinkin with a very mild var dose ill be at a more level playing field. I've done a lot of research into it but I was focused more on what (if any) adverse effects would be from var and clen. Started my 10mg a day 13 days ago and I haven't noticed anything at all yet, no strength gains. The clen did wonders for me though will definetely be throwing this in before the next competition.

Also with clen I know it's 2 weeks on 2 off but how long should I run that cycle before taking a longer break?

[Cuz]

your competing and talking about 10mg of anavar a day? Average doses for you average bro are 50-100mg/day, Not trying to be a dick but dude, seriously? You need to just stay natty for now and do some research for a couple years build your natty foundation and you will be so much farther ahead of everybody else once you hit 25. Your system probably wouldn't hardly recognize 10mg..its def not going to hurt you. never even heard of 10mg var and I think most will say its not a good idea to run a var only cycle but some do. goodluck

[crazy mike]

Man, honestly you probably shouldn't be messing with steroids at your age anyway. Your dosing is way off which is indicative of poor research. Stick to natural building for another year or so while you educate yourself. Wasting your money on one of the most expensive compounds. You're not even remotely close, brother. And even if you did get close, which it doesn't sound like you're ready for, you shouldnt do it without testosterone.

Back to the drawing board.

^^^ This entire reply. Austin~ said it all. Nothing more to include , just support the post. Op if you have a picture I would like to see it. ...crazy mike

[Jamesjames]

too new to embed a pic but ill pm you the link and feel free to throw it in here mike, and i appreciate all the advice even though its exactly what i didnt want to hear haha

edit: pic is on day of mens physique competition.

[crazy mike]

too new to embed a pic but ill pm you the link and feel free to throw it in here mike, and i appreciate all the advice even though its exactly what i didnt want to hear haha

edit: pic is on day of mens physique competition.

I saw your pic. You are lean and small. That's a good thing. I must admit that I don't have a clue as to this Physique class of show. So ye you have a fitness shape but not muscular and you are not cut. her is a big difference between lean and cut and I'm not sure what you want. But as I predicted you can't afford to loose anymore size, IMOP.
I support my first post and agreement with the others (Austin~)

Thanks for the picture and good luck. ...crazy mike

[PetrX]

Anavar is a waste unless you have tons of cash laying around and can get at least 75+ weekly

[ppwc1985]

James, serious you need to research more. You asked about adverse side effects, well Clen can damage your heart if used improperly. Please do some research on it and know what you are putting in your body and proper way to use it. 10/20 var ain't going to do shit and like austinite said you to young. You have all the test in you that you need, change your diet and workout and you can add what your looking for. Good luck!

[Java Man]

trying not to do anything harsh just because im so young, thats why i figured the low low dose anavar, not really looking to stack on a ton of size anyhow, looking for more of the harder look. Natural bodybuilding is a joke as i dont think ive ever seen anyone over 185lbs contest day that was actually natural. just looking for something mild to assist the development, didnt really want to run test so young.

Totally respectable. If youre not ready to run test then youre not ready for var either. I'm not being disrespectful or an ass when I say this is not something you want to half-ass. All in or not in at all. Do your research and keep training natty until youre ready. You've accomplished much more than most ever will already as a natural bb.

[Jamesjames]

Totally respectable. If youre not ready to run test then youre not ready for var either. I'm not being disrespectful or an ass when I say this is not something you want to half-ass. All in or not in at all. Do your research and keep training natty until youre ready. You've accomplished much more than most ever will already as a natural bb.

I would be open to test I'm just curious at my age would it shut down my natural test production? Basically all I'm looking for from any gear is to put on 5-8lbs of muscle and try to keep 5 of it when I cut down to 6%. Biggest thing for me is not having any long term side effects, I have done quite a bit of research and still have a lot of questions.

The issue I'm having is when I'm on stage the guys have a good 10+ lbs on me. I know many are running a lot more than they should and I'm not willing to push it and risk my health.

[OnTheSauce]

At any age, any AAS shuts down natural test production

[Jamesjames]

So in a perfect world what would you guys suggest if I am going to use at 22 yrs old, 181.5 lbs as of today 9%bf looking to put on 5-8lbs of lean muscle and drop to 6%. I have training and diet experience, both are 100% committed.

[OnTheSauce]

Honestly nothing. Just a good diet and training regiment. But if you insist, test only should always be first cycle

[crazy mike]

I would be open to test I'm just curious at my age would it shut down my natural test production? Basically all I'm looking for from any gear is to put on 5-8lbs of muscle and try to keep 5 of it when I cut down to 6%. Biggest thing for me is not having any long term side effects, I have done quite a bit of research and still have a lot of questions.

The issue I'm having is when I'm on stage the guys have a good 10+ lbs on me. I know many are running a lot more than they should and I'm not willing to push it and risk my health.

So in a perfect world what would you guys suggest if I am going to use at 22 yrs old, 181.5 lbs as of today 9%bf looking to put on 5-8lbs of lean muscle and drop to 6%. I have training and diet experience, both are 100% committed.

James you should go back and reread some of your posts and threads. It is getting more and more apparent that you have not done enough research. You ask basic Q's that can be answered by a little research. It seems you want us to just say YES to your ideas, when if you read up and listened you could surmise your own proper answer.

I see you getting in and giving advise on other threads and I want to caution you about that. You are lacking a lot of experience even with some of your successful diet practices, be slow here.
James we have talked and you sent me pictures. I remarked about you not having size and you say this is your problem on stage. So why you want to use Anavar for anything at this time doesn't make sense. That fact that you want to be safe...read the young and steroids.
I suggested to you that you keep your diet appropriate (for you) and get into the gym and train smarter and harder and the size will begin to come as your body and foundation matures.
Please back off this idea that you need steroids at this juncture and do much, much more reading. Read up more about the steroid profiles and you will know better what to do in a few years (stacking). But as was said only Test for the 1st cycle and you are not ready.
One more note, just for you. You want more weight and size...you need to work on your back (lats) by your picture you are lacking tremendously in your back and that is just a quick view of your picture ( why I said you are small).
So what I've said (and everyone else) reread and you will have your answers and a plan to get some more size. ...crazy mike

[itsjayman02]

10 mg? You might as well just drink a Red Bull, it would be more effective. A newborn baby could handle 10 mg with no issues.

Haha classic

[Jamesjames]

I appreciate the honesty, you guys know what it's like to see people making progress quicker haha everyone wants a faster result. Probably just sell the bar I have and continue the clen as I'm liking the result from it. I know my problem areas, where I lack etc, just another early 20's kid getting all the wrong advice from the local guys I think..

In regards to stopping I've been on var for 13 days now 10mg a day just stop cold turkey and shouldn't have any issues eh?

[crazy mike]

I appreciate the honesty, you guys know what it's like to see people making progress quicker haha everyone wants a faster result. Probably just sell the bar I have and continue the clen as I'm liking the result from it. I know my problem areas, where I lack etc, just another early 20's kid getting all the wrong advice from the local guys I think..
In regards to stopping I've been on var for 13 days now 10mg a day just stop cold turkey and shouldn't have any issues eh?

In bold first, yea you have been getting advice from people who don't give a shit and do not know the ramifications and reality. The advice given on here is good.

On the second Q' No at that dose you will suffer no sides or problems.
IMOP If I were you I wouldn't use the Clen either before getting more mass. It is just not needed until getting ready to diet down. Again if you know your weak areas then get your workout routine to focus on those areas. Are you working your back as hard as your abs? Just saying and offering the food for though, OK. ...crazy mike, Good luck

[Jamesjames]

Literally don't work abs. I let my compounds do that for me focussing on lats and bis right now, played some semi pro hockey so core and legs are rediculous. I'm aiming for the aesthetic appeal more so than bodybuilder look. Also my upper chest is lacking but I can't effing hit it. Literally never sore or feel it tried incline bench and flies at multiple degrees of incline and it just won't hit.

I've got another show in 90 days and want to be a good 5 lbs better this time around (leaner) that's why I'm thinking ill stick with the clen than hop off and do a winter bulk

[crazy mike]

Literally don't work abs. I let my compounds do that for me focussing on lats and bis right now, played some semi pro hockey so core and legs are rediculous. I'm aiming for the aesthetic appeal more so than bodybuilder look. Also my upper chest is lacking but I can't effing hit it. Literally never sore or feel it tried incline bench and flies at multiple degrees of incline and it just won't hit.

I've got another show in 90 days and want to be a good 5 lbs better this time around (leaner) that's why I'm thinking ill stick with the clen than hop off and do a winter bulk

Listen, I'll tell you right off if you want your upper chest to come out stick to a mass building routine of incline bench. Also incline dumbbell press. For a while I promote leaving out the flies and the cables and work on heavy mass. Press. Believe when I also tell you that if you do the same with shoulder press it will pick up on your chest where incline bench ties in and produce an outstanding upper chest.

Take a look at my pick and see if you agree: I hope you do. When I was working on my chest back then I focused on incline and shoulder press. Heavy press. Don't laugh I've never been big but that's what I was doing. If you agree then try it, but it takes time like everything else.




...crazy mike

PS: James I don't care about soreness, it doesn't matter. But if you tell me you cannot get tired inclining then you are not working your sets to failure. You should go visit Marcus's diary and get some workout pointers. I say 4-6 reps to failure 3-4 sets after warm up.

[Jamesjames]

ive been getting best results in the 12-15 rep ranges usually failing around 12 get my spotter for 1 or 2 more. all lifts sets of 4 done like this. i do get tired from all sets i just struggle to feel it in my chest, its more like im hitting my front delta/tris wear out before feeling any sort of fatigue or burn in my chest.