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    Thoughts on clen without AAS?

    Hey guys, in this December I'm scheduled for a big fight, very well may be the last little bit I need to land that contract with the UFC. And I've always read about how it'll help preserve muscle tissue with a caloric deficit? The name of the game is to cut as light as you can & still maintain your strength. So this has obviously peaked my interests. It's all research at this point, I was just wondering what the safe limit to cardio is while you're on it, and if it'd negatively effect my training or the quality of it in any way. I'd just like to hear about your experiences with clen, (dosages, cycling protocol, diet, training while on clen, ect) all input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys.

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    First off good luck man as that is obviously a huge opportunity!

    I can't comment to much on the clen use while I was fighting as it was very short lived. I took it to cut before a fight but had to stop due to the way it made me feel. I was very lethargic and my focus was way off! Obviously everyone will react different, but that was just my experience. You may have better luck with it than I.

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    Clen is shitty.
    I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

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    just stopped a cycle of clen short of the 2 weeks I was planning on. It does elevate your body core temp and is considered a strong fat burner. But it affected my badly, I was so sped up I was shaking, trembling. It even changed my voice as I was so jittery. Some supplements are worth it, but for me never again for clen. Try winstrol? Good luck in your career with the UFC.

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    40 mcg is all I can handle, and that had me bedridden for days. Sorry, can't give a positive assessment.
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    It has only interfered with my training if I took it in any large amount pre workout. I would always split my doses to avoid the nasty shakes you can get. It's no good spilling hot tea down yourself

    I train on a morning so dosed my max dosage as 40mcg sometime pre workout, 40mcg post workout and then same again about 3 hors later. That all but eliminates the shakes but it is harsh and not something I'd do for any extended period of time.

    If You have plenty of time to cut slowly that should minimise or negate any strength losses without the need for it.
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    Doing BJJ while on Clen can prove really difficult. I started getting massive cramping on it and my calves would cramp up and I wouldn't be able to train at all. I didn't like it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPete33 View Post
    Doing BJJ while on Clen can prove really difficult. I started getting massive cramping on it and my calves would cramp up and I wouldn't be able to train at all. I didn't like it at all.
    ^^agreed, I cramped like a mofo!! I took lots of taurine and that helped but not 100%.

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    Hey guys thanks for the replies, AAS are not an option (unfortunately) as Bellator tests 4 weeks out and pre comp. do you think albuterol would be any more forgiving on my training & endurance? The only reason I keep asking is because if I wanna step on the scale at 220, ill have to be 6-8% BF, and ready to fight. Which for me any time I go sub 10% I feel like total crap, (probably cause I'd be in like a 1000- 1500cal deficit to get there) and I can't do that this time, I have to be strong and ready to go, can't lay an egg here. Im gunna be in the nutrition section every day for the next few months to try to get that squared away. Thanks for all the answers guys, I do think ill be avoiding clen.

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    I switched to Albuterol after the clen didn't work. It worked well for me.. I'd even take a few blasts off an albut inhaler before each fight..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgunn
    I switched to Albuterol after the clen didn't work. It worked well for me.. I'd even take a few blasts off an albut inhaler before each fight..
    I still have plenty of those and perscribed albut pils.. I used to have a horrible, HORRIBLE, asthma problem growing up, and they still write me scripts for it even though I feel I've grown out of it...? I have plenty if pharm grade albut on hand. how would you compare albut to clen?

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    I took 4mg x3 ed.. Sides were not near the same. No shakes, endurance was up. No feeling of lethargy.. Here is a good reference.

    Albuterol

    Chemical Name: Albuterol Sulfate

    Drug Class: Beta-Agonist

    Albuterol is very closely related to Clenbuterol (often simply called ?Clen?), which has been a drug athletes have been using for literally decades to lose fat. Although it?s typically thought of as only a shorter acting version of Clenbuterol, that?s not 100% correct, and Albuterol actually has some benefits that Clen doesn?t. Just like Clen, Albuterol binds to the beta 2 adrenergic receptors. Beta 2 receptor stimulation is a very potent mechanism for initiating fat loss. Stimulating the beta-2 receptors found in fat cells activates hormone sensitive lipase, to break up stored fat into free fatty acids which are then used as fuel by the body (1). Once those fatty acids are broken up, Albuterol then has the added effect of elevating your metabolism, which helps you use the free fatty acids that it has broken up. It?s a very potent fat burner, as a result of both being able to break up stored fat and make it available as energy, as well as increasing the rate at which this energy is used.

    Interestingly, while Clenbuterol increases both muscle size and strength in animal studies (2), the same thing isn?t necessarily true in humans, and if it is, actual studies proving so are nearly impossible to find. It?s suspected to possibly do this, but there?s really no hard evidence of it. And since it?s not approved by the FDA for use in humans, non-anecdotal data proving that Clen actually builds muscle or increases Performance is scarce. Since it?s approved by the FDA for use in asthmatics, studies on humans and Albuterol, regarding exercise Performance are more plentiful. In multiple studies, it has been suggested strongly that it increases strength as well as endurance in humans (3,4). Clen, on the other hand, has anecdotally been reported to reduce endurance in athletes who use it.

    In addition, Albuterol may even help the lipid profile (cholesterol)(5), which is definitely something that steroid using athletes may want to consider, when deciding whether or not to include Albuterol in a cutting cycle. In fact, a small dose of it might be useful on nearly any cycle, because of this characteristic.

    The main difference between Albuterol and Clen is that Albuterol has a significantly shorter half life of Albuterol. If Clenbuterol happens to give you insomnia, then Albuterol is a much better alternative, because it?s not going to build up in your system to the same degree that Clen can.

    I?m typically much more confident recommending Albuterol to athletes instead of Clen, because stimulant induced anxiety and insomnia seem to be much less likely. Also, due to the shorter half life, there?s probably a much lower level of beta-2 receptor downgrade, but the trade off is more frequent dosing. Two to four milligrams, three to four times a day is usually sufficient for an anabolic as well as fat burning effect.

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    So does it possess the same anti catabolic effect clenbuterol does? I believe at one point it said it didn't and at the bottom described it as an "anabolic" I'm slightly confused. but does anyone know of other non diet related muscle preserving tips?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fcarey32 View Post
    Hey guys thanks for the replies, AAS are not an option (unfortunately) as Bellator tests 4 weeks out and pre comp. do you think albuterol would be any more forgiving on my training & endurance? The only reason I keep asking is because if I wanna step on the scale at 220, ill have to be 6-8% BF, and ready to fight. Which for me any time I go sub 10% I feel like total crap, (probably cause I'd be in like a 1000- 1500cal deficit to get there) and I can't do that this time, I have to be strong and ready to go, can't lay an egg here. Im gunna be in the nutrition section every day for the next few months to try to get that squared away. Thanks for all the answers guys, I do think ill be avoiding clen.
    220 at 6-8% would be the best looking fighter I would have ever seen. That would be pretty sick. As for the clen, I wouldn't bother with it. You could try it at 20mcg a day for acouple days see how the sides affect you and up your doses. Lot of guys just to 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Not really worth it to me, feeling like you have asthma, would be the last thing you wanted in a fight. There are alternatives if you search hard enough, good luck.

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    Tried clen once, loved it.
    My endurance was up but my intensity way down...
    A small jogging put me into 190s bpm, my heart was crazy.

    At 100mcg small shake(like unintentionnal double click on my phone)
    Nothing major

    Temperature was up/heart beat at 90 at rest.

    Not too much sweat(It was during winter...)

    I was able to do 1hour cardio no problem. But it was very slight jogging couldnt go higher.(was too scared that my heart would blow up...)

    Some cant handle the side. Personally I liked it.

    About the fat lost I unfortunatly had to cut it short but in 20days i cut down about 3 lbs of fat.

    My calorie intake was my TDEE. Plus cardio and clen.

    Work well, would definitivly do it again.

    But i wouldnt be on during the fight.

    Good luck

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    I just plan on using it until a day or two before weigh ins, never tried an eca/y stack, I hear it's all over rated, any opinions?

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    ^^^^^ albuterol does not carry the same catabolic properties as clen and is slightly anabolic... Imo making it more desirable; especially in your case. A 7-8% cage fighter would definitely be impressive! The leanest guy I saw was about 10-11%... Looked like gsp with more veins lol. He was a beast though and definitely using.

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