My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

**austinite** · 01-30-2014, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by MODO

Excellent read, but I have a few questions about using adex and hcg on cycle. Isn't it best to save the adex in case you experience estro sides? I'm all for prophylaxis but I'm also conservative, and I think the less unnecessary chemicals the better. Thoughts? Purpose of the adex on cycle?

Also... HCG on cycle??? My leydig's are shrivelling up just thinking about it! maybe I'm wrong here but I don't understand the purpose of that, thoughts?

No. There's more to adex than just controlling E2. Besides, would you wear a seatbelt after you crash? Or use it as preventative measure before you're hurt? Doesnt make sense to wait until damage is done. Everyone should use an AI on cycle. Give these a read...

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-reversal.html

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

**MODO** · 01-30-2014, 11:41 AM

Ok thanks! I will go through them asap.

**MODO** · 02-02-2014, 01:23 AM

I prefer E3D for my enanthate because I am OCD about stable blood levels... that being said, can I take hcg E3D as well (as opposed to e-3.5-d), or is that too often? I will adjust the dose to still be 500 IU/ week. What do you think?

**base4291ball** · 02-02-2014, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by MODO

I prefer E3D for my enanthate because I am OCD about stable blood levels... that being said, can I take hcg E3D as well (as opposed to e-3.5-d), or is that too often? I will adjust the dose to still be 500 IU/ week. What do you think?

I think austinite would agree with me e3d wouldn't hurt anything but it's just wasting a little hCG for your cycle. I mean you can't wait 12 hours in the day till that night or the next morning to pin? Your levels will still stay elevated with e3.5d. Austinite correct me if I'm wrong. I'm no expert but from reading around that's what I've gathered.

Thanks.

~Base

**MODO** · 02-02-2014, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by base4291ball

I think austinite would agree with me e3d wouldn't hurt anything but it's just wasting a little hCG for your cycle. I mean you can't wait 12 hours in the day till that night or the next morning to pin? Your levels will still stay elevated with e3.5d. Austinite correct me if I'm wrong. I'm no expert but from reading around that's what I've gathered. Thanks. ~Base

I'm not concerned about stable hcg levels, just the test levels. But I figured id move up the hcg to e3d alongside the test so I don't have to keep two separate dosing schedules.

I thought the idea was to not over do hcg to prevent over-stimulation, and I was wondering if the specific e3.5d frequency had some significance in that. I would still only run 500 UI weekly on a e3d schedule though, by lowering the injection amount slightly.

**MODO** · 02-02-2014, 02:36 AM

Maybe I'm being foolish and should just do it all e3.5 days. Like Mon morning and thurs night... but I just can't wrap my simple mind around the idea of doing both AM and PM injections...

**base4291ball** · 02-02-2014, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by MODO

I'm not concerned about stable hcg levels, just the test levels. But I figured id move up the hcg to e3d alongside the test so I don't have to keep two separate dosing schedules. I thought the idea was to not over do hcg to prevent over-stimulation, and I was wondering if the specific e3.5d frequency had some significance in that. I would still only run 500 UI weekly on a e3d schedule though, by lowering the injection amount slightly.

I've never heard of an "hCG level" lol or am I referring to test levels. Do you even know what hCG does?

~Base

**austinite** · 02-02-2014, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by MODO

Maybe I'm being foolish and should just do it all e3.5 days. Like Mon morning and thurs night... but I just can't wrap my simple mind around the idea of doing both AM and PM injections...

What do you mean? Every 3 days is just fine.

**MODO** · 02-02-2014, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by base4291ball

I've never heard of an "hCG level" lol or am I referring to test levels. Do you even know what hCG does? ~Base

Technically there is a level for everything in serum based on half life's and/or clearance rates!

And thanks Aust.

Guys I apologize for my messages being confusing, I'm over-educated and under-experienced so I haven't learned to speak this lingo yet.

**austinite** · 02-02-2014, 05:35 PM

3.5 days is just to give you some structure. Yes, serum would be more stable, but the difference between that and injecting every 3rd or 4th day is pretty negligible.

**RG900** · 02-06-2014, 10:13 AM

Great post! so I was wondering where I can get legit HCG ?

**kelkel** · 02-06-2014, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by RG900

Great post! so I was wondering where I can get legit HCG?

Your first post is sourcing? Don't do that. Read the rules please.

**RG900** · 02-06-2014, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Your first post is sourcing? Don't do that. Read the rules please.

my bad man I just started my cycle this week and I did not have HCG incorporated in my cycle so I am just kind of worried

**austinite** · 02-06-2014, 01:06 PM

read the rules please. We ban all sourcing members and providers.

**xjay1234** · 02-08-2014, 11:57 AM

it should be fine!

**breakthelines** · 02-09-2014, 02:09 AM

Could you run prop for 10 weeks?

**dk94** · 02-09-2014, 03:27 PM

Austinite, in your post about HCG use on cyle, regarding myth 2

"Myth # 2: I cannot use hCG past 30 days (This is not true, use it for 2 months. It'll be fine)"

are you referring to the shelf life of the product or the time its effective in the body when you say 2 months?

**austinite** · 02-09-2014, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by dk94

Austinite, in your post about HCG use on cyle, regarding myth 2

"Myth # 2: I cannot use hCG past 30 days (This is not true, use it for 2 months. It'll be fine)"

are you referring to the shelf life of the product or the time its effective in the body when you say 2 months?

Referencing potency.

The half life is ~30 hours. It won't exist in your body after 2 months.

**Bpowell** · 02-09-2014, 09:52 PM

Wow answers alot of question sure I will read again may have more ? For you

**AverageGymRat** · 02-09-2014, 10:29 PM

Followed this guide and gained 12lbs of lean mass in my first cycle. Thank you!

**xjay1234** · 02-11-2014, 07:06 PM

Great information!

**TOP** · 02-11-2014, 09:07 PM

Great post, learned a couple of things when I thought I knew everything about a beginners cycle!

**sambrown** · 02-12-2014, 05:15 AM

This post is very informative. Thank you for this great post. Keep it up.

**PRODIJ** · 02-15-2014, 02:03 PM

very informative post.

May I ask how do I manage to find an excellent lab that ships worldwide if people are not wiling to give the info on roids?

**MODO** · 02-15-2014, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by PRODIJ

very informative post. May I ask how do I manage to find an excellent lab that ships worldwide if people are not wiling to give the info on roids?

You don't.

Importing carries a ton of risks. Both legal and health/purity related.

Support your domestic UGL's. If you haven't integrated yourself in the right circles yet... then chances are you don't have enough experience to cycle yet either.

**PRODIJ** · 02-15-2014, 05:08 PM

I live in colombia. Lifting people is about 1% of population. Lifting serious people even less.

**austinite** · 02-15-2014, 07:26 PM

Stay on topic folks. Thanks.

**FIF08** · 02-18-2014, 08:14 AM

Damn, I wish I read this before I posted my thread....

Very helpful and definitely going to follow this, thanks!

Just to clarify, all other advice threads combine the Test with DBols. What is the pro's and con's of this?

**tarmyg** · 02-18-2014, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by FIF08

Damn, I wish I read this before I posted my thread....

Very helpful and definitely going to follow this, thanks!

Just to clarify, all other advice threads combine the Test with DBols. What is the pro's and con's of this?

If something goes wrong in your first cycle you will not know what compound caused the problem.

~T

**deegee71** · 02-19-2014, 10:17 AM

Austinite I just started TRT. my doc gave me test. cream and hcg . do I need to cycle test and do pct?

**base4291ball** · 02-19-2014, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by deegee71

Austinite I just started TRT. my doc gave me test. cream and hcg. do I need to cycle test and do pct?

If you have a script from a doc shouldn't be be telling you and not aust lol

~Base

**deegee71** · 02-19-2014, 02:04 PM

[QUOTE=base4291ball;6813059]If you have a script from a doc shouldn't be be telling you and not aust lol
~Base[/QUOTE

I guess I deserve that answer

**base4291ball** · 02-19-2014, 04:29 PM

Nah man I'm not trying to be rude just saying if you got a script from a doc and you're on TRT just go by docs orders unless you're planning on upping your dose. Because I'm sure while on TRT they just dose you at enough to maintain levels. But if you up you'll run through your supply a lot quicker so then doc would ask questions.

~Base

**austinite** · 02-19-2014, 07:40 PM

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**austinite** · 02-19-2014, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by deegee71

Austinite I just started TRT. my doc gave me test. cream and hcg. do I need to cycle test and do pct?

There is no PCT with TRT. You are on TRT for life.

**Megalomaniac** · 02-23-2014, 10:36 AM

I am very new to this world and curiosity has lead me here. I must say this is the most informative post I have stumbled across. Now to get my post count up!