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    hi austinite i have a question from u :

    i read somewhere in Anabolic Steroids - Steroid .com about pct ,use 150/150/100/100/50/50 for clomid and 40/40/20/20/10/10 for nolva and tell to pick only one of them clomid or nolva .and you said 75/50/50/50 for clomid and 40/20/20/20 for nolva and pick two of them during pct. tell me which one is a effective plan for pct

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    It depends on your cycle. There's no reason for such high initial doses of clomid. No need to frontload several weeks worth. If a cycle is heavy, you would use the same doses but extend your PCT time. For an average 500ng tesosterone weekly cycle, nolva at 40/20/20/20 and clomid at 75/50/50/50 is plenty.
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    thanks dear austinite , i have another question for you plz help me on this
    i decided to start my first cycle on tomorrow and I want to get some critique on my upcoming cycle, so that you can make me aware if I am missing anything. Here are my stats:

    I'm 28 years old male
    5'10" tall
    180 lbs
    14% body fat

    This is my first cycle .I've been training since I was 19. no injury yet. I've been consistently heavy training for 2 years now.
    My goal is to add 8 lbs of muscle while keeping body fat at or under 16%.

    Here is my cycle proposal:

    Week 1 to 8: Test p @ ~500 mg per week. (150 mg eod) on Saturday /Monday / Wednesday /etc
    Week 1 to 8: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total) one in Sunday another in Wednesday at the same time that i take it each one
    Week 1 to 8 +3 days: letro @ 0.36 mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts) on Sunday / Tuesday / Thursday in the mornings

    pct :
    3 days after last injection Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20 in mornings
    and 2000 mg of L- Cystine daily

    and blood work :
    Pre-Cycle blood work: 2 weeks prior to cycle.
    Mid-Cycle blood work: 5 weeks into an 8 week.
    Post-Cycle blood work: 6 weeks after PCT.

    im understand you want me to go with arimidex while on cycle and long esters such as test e or c but i could not find arimidex and long esters around my country, I have no choice
    then i decide to go with letro and test p
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    ^ This is answered in great detail with the original post. Is there something I am missing? I do not ever recommend Letro, ever. If you must, submit a new thread please and let others assist you. I don't recommend letro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    ^ This is answered in great detail with the original post. Is there something I am missing? I do not ever recommend Letro, ever. If you must, submit a new thread please and let others assist you. I don't recommend letro.
    sorry bro you're right i'm understand you don't recommend letro ,but i dont find adex in my country , in this time i have test p 100 mg/ml , letro 2.5 mg pill , clomid and tamox . sorry again for asking this question in you're thread because I had no choice , in my original thread i haven't get complete my answered , i'm waited for you to come and read my thread and help me but you and other pro's don't come ,so plz plz advise me for that
    thanks a lot bro
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    My advice is to wait until you can find adex or aromasin . If you only have letro, check your blood work to see how well it's working. I don't have advice on dosage.

    Sorry, not recommended.

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    I have a stupid question. I just Received bottle of liquidex from ar-r . How does .25 mg of pill form translate into liquid for of the 1ml syringe they provided?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deegee71 View Post
    I have a stupid question. I just Received bottle of liquidex from ar-r. How does .25 mg of pill form translate into liquid for of the 1ml syringe they provided?
    How many mg's per ML is the liquid form?
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    Quote Originally Posted by deegee71
    I have a stupid question. I just Received bottle of liquidex from ar-r. How does .25 mg of pill form translate into liquid for of the 1ml syringe they provided?
    If you say it's from AR-R then it's 1mg/1mL. So let's say your dose is .25mg then you would draw .25mg. To get the .05 draw obviously between the second and third hash mark between .2 & .3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by base4291ball View Post
    If you say it's from AR-R then it's 1mg/1mL. So let's say your dose is .25mg then you would draw .25mg. To get the .05 draw obviously between the second and third hash mark between .2 & .3.

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    lol base. He was supposed to answer that
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    lol base. He was supposed to answer that
    Lol sorry, I was trying to help him out to speed up the process

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    great read!

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    great post austinite..
    very useful..
    i'm very helped with your post. thank's

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    Hi everybody,

    I'm 26, 5'9'', 165 lbs, bodyfat 11%. I'm pretty lean and in a really good shape. have a clean diet and have been working out like 4 years. I'm about to mess with some gear to bulk up to 175lbs but lean. Here is my diet: total almost 2800 cal/day.

    Meal 1: 1 medium banana, 2 whole eggs(I dont like eggs so just 2), 2 scoops of ON hydro whey, 1tbsp extra virgin olive oil.
    Meal 2: 200g lean beef steak, 150g brown coocked rice, 240 ML natural grape juice
    Meal 3: 150g grilled chicken breast, 100g grilled potatoes, 1tbsp extra virgin olive oil
    Pre workout: 2 scoops of ON hydro whey, any kind of energy booster
    Post workout: 2 scoops of ON hydro whey
    Meal 4: 200g lean beef steak, 150g brown coocked rice
    Meal 5: 150g grilled tillapila fish, a plate of greens salad, 1tbsp extra virgin olive oil

    I take multi, zinc, vitamin c, fish oil pills daily.
    Any recommendation for my cycle and diet? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alirezo0o View Post
    Hi everybody,

    I'm 26, 5'9'', 165 lbs, bodyfat 11%. I'm pretty lean and in a really good shape. have a clean diet and have been working out like 4 years. I'm about to mess with some gear to bulk up to 175lbs but lean. Here is my diet: total almost 2800 cal/day.

    Meal 1: 1 medium banana, 2 whole eggs(I dont like eggs so just 2), 2 scoops of ON hydro whey, 1tbsp extra virgin olive oil.
    Meal 2: 200g lean beef steak, 150g brown coocked rice, 240 ML natural grape juice
    Meal 3: 150g grilled chicken breast, 100g grilled potatoes, 1tbsp extra virgin olive oil
    Pre workout: 2 scoops of ON hydro whey, any kind of energy booster
    Post workout: 2 scoops of ON hydro whey
    Meal 4: 200g lean beef steak, 150g brown coocked rice
    Meal 5: 150g grilled tillapila fish, a plate of greens salad, 1tbsp extra virgin olive oil

    I take multi, zinc, vitamin c, fish oil pills daily.
    Any recommendation for my cycle and diet? Thanks
    Best to start a new thread buddy.
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    thanks for the post now i have more of an idea on what i need to do before moving on and ordering. One question though would anyone know where someone can get or find a good nutrition food chart.

    Im 41 i had blown my knee doing BJJ and need to get back inshape and found out i had diverclitius(cant spell) so i have started some trainning i had already lost 30lbs and now wiegh 187lbs. im 5'9 my work out is i try to hit gym everyday if not everyother day before i work out i drink Phase 8 protien shake and right after i drink creacore with funugreek extract. and would like to get better inshape and more defined. would any of you have any helpful suggestions for me thanks in advance

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    just a quick question folks? about hcg how vital is it to run from week 1? I mean I plan to do this beginner cycle in the near future but could it be ran from week 3 to week 12 which is 5,000iu's I have read elsewhere so other people saying thats when to start it on test e
    tks guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by revpower View Post
    thanks for the post now i have more of an idea on what i need to do before moving on and ordering. One question though would anyone know where someone can get or find a good nutrition food chart.

    Im 41 i had blown my knee doing BJJ and need to get back inshape and found out i had diverclitius(cant spell) so i have started some trainning i had already lost 30lbs and now wiegh 187lbs. im 5'9 my work out is i try to hit gym everyday if not everyother day before i work out i drink Phase 8 protien shake and right after i drink creacore with funugreek extract. and would like to get better inshape and more defined. would any of you have any helpful suggestions for me thanks in advance
    try the nutrition section on here mate!
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    Hey Aust,

    Just read ur thread on first cycle, its very informative. As a matter of fact I just ordered synephedrine. I just have question, i dont want to bulk, instead I would like to start coming down, is the protocol the same?? This would be my first time on any gear, Im 33yrs old been training for over 12yrs, and competed naturally for 4yrs, just want to go to the next level with my body. Im 6'4 245- 248lbs off season, 218-220lbs stage weight. If you have time, you can type( Ricardo Defrank DFAC heavyweight class) on youtube to see my stats. Thanks, i appreciate the help!!
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    Hey Aust,

    I too appreciate your post and all the info in this thread. I've read through most of it, almost all. Curious.....so if I'm on TRT daily gel, and start a straight Test E cycle, 500 a week, 10 weeks......then return to the daily gel after, do I only need the EB along with the test. Still kid of confused on the HCG , what it is, how necessary it is, and when and how often to take it.

    Appreciate your feedback greatly. Oh, and I'm 36, 5-10, 175, pretty lean and cut. Been lifting religiously for about 6 years. Run a lot too. Thanks in advance Aust....

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    Thanks for the kind words, Fellas.

    Matthew, I don't know what you mean by "EB".

    For hCG details, please read this thread: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html
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    Aust, the aromatase inhibitor, meant estrogen blocker with EB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthewp47 View Post
    Aust, the aromatase inhibitor, meant estrogen blocker with EB.
    Yes, you need an AI on cycle. It doesnt matter if you're a TRT patient of not. The only difference with respect to TRT patients is that they do not administer post cycle therapy . They would merely return to TRT.

    EB is not the right term, try avoiding that. There is no such thing as an estrogen "Blocker".
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    Great article Austinite! Keep the good info flowing!

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    Best beginner info I've ever read. Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Yes, you need an AI on cycle. It doesnt matter if you're a TRT patient of not. The only difference with respect to TRT patients is that they do not administer post cycle therapy . They would merely return to TRT.

    EB is not the right term, try avoiding that. There is no such thing as an estrogen "Blocker".
    Thanks again Austinite! I am trying to wrap my head around all of this, but sometimes some of it goes over my head. So 10 weeks, 500 of Test E a week, daily androgel applications for PCT.

    Found Anastrozole 1mg tab and Exemesane 25 mg generic. Would you recommend one over the other? What dosing, and how frequent? HCG still the smart/necessary move even with daily test applications as permanent
    PCT?

    Thanks in advance.....I'm trying!!

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    PCT means Post Cycle Therapy . The purpose of PCT is to recover from having your natural testosterone production shut down while on cycle. TRT patients do not/will not recover. So returning to androgel would be returning to TRT, not "androgel as PCT". You will not be performing any PCT, and androgel is not to be referenced as PCT.

    I prefer Anastrozole, but either is fine. Please refer to my article for dosing, it is covered very well. Anastrozole is Arimidex .
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    Thanks Austinite! Appreciate your help very much.

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    an absolute treasure trove of knowledge. really wish i had read this before ordering and posting. gonna have to change up my entire cycle plan. absolutely appreciate the post!

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    hi austinite ,sorry for doing my question in your thread because i ask this question in my thread and nobody answer it ,anyway my cycle proposal update :
    8-12 week of 100 mg/ml test-p eod
    i'm starting my cycle on Saturday morning two days ago , now my question is with such a low dose of test-p (300 mg weekly/total) should i need ai , hcg and pct , etc ?
    plz help

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil-1986 View Post
    hi austinite ,sorry for doing my question in your thread because i ask this question in my thread and nobody answer it ,anyway my cycle proposal update :
    8-12 week of 100 mg/ml test-p eod
    i'm starting my cycle on Saturday morning two days ago , now my question is with such a low dose of test-p (300 mg weekly/total) should i need ai , hcg and pct , etc ?
    plz help
    Yes, you will need AI, hCG and PCT.
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    I'm gonna have to make an appointment for the bod pod.. $100 for three tests to track progress..

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    Hi again austinite . I was read jimmy thread about aromasin , i couldn't find arimidex in my country but i have letro and aromasin in my hands , i inject my second 100 mg/ml of test-p yesterday and today inject second 250 iu of hcg am first was on Saturday pm but i don't use AI until today of my first cycle ,finally i decide to go with aromasin but for 300-350 mg/ml weekly of test-p i don't no what dosages of aromasin should i need to use for controlling e-2 levels and sides , tell me your suggestion about that ?
    thanks

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    You can use aromasin at 25mg daily.
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    Thanks for the thread! def helped for interested first time cycle!

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    i'm currently on week two of my first cycle ( 6-8 week of 100 mg/ml eod of test-p ) should i run pct ? i was read somewhere , pct should only be use for high end cycling users . what do you think ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil-1986 View Post
    i'm currently on week two of my first cycle ( 6-8 week of 100 mg/ml eod of test-p ) should i run pct ? i was read somewhere , pct should only be use for high end cycling users . what do you think ?
    Anyone who is not a TRT patient needs PCT. It doesn't mater what your cycle is. PCT is done after your cycle is done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    Anyone who is not a TRT patient needs PCT. It doesn't mater what your cycle is. PCT is done after your cycle is done.
    Yeah unless your intentions ARE to be on TRT for the rest of your years pct is critical. And even with pct there's always that chance you won't recover. But your chances of recovering if you do pct are 100x better than if you don't, making it a must.

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    currently on my cycle i'm taking this vitamins an minerals plz advise on that :

    morning after breakfast :
    500 mg vitamin c
    400 iu vitamin e
    400 mcg fulic acid
    75 mg QOQ10
    1000 mg fish oil
    500 mg l-cystine
    200 mcg chromium picolinate
    450 mg green tea

    after launch :
    450 mg green tea
    1000 mg fish oil
    500 mg l-cystine

    after dinner :
    450 mg green tea
    1000 mg fish oil
    500 mg l-cystine
    500 mg vitamin c
    my question is , can chromium and green tea effect on my gains ? can cause geting gains more slowly ? whats your opinion about this while on cycle ? should i use it or shouldn't ?

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    Check the supplement section buddy. This thread if for steroid cycling. But they do not slow gains at all.
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